Kublin Method--the ultimate oil-change strategy?

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3MP,

If you'd like to use TBN in this formula, I'd suggest the following:

C* = (80%)(TBN)(TBN)

So a 7 TBN oil would yield a C* of approx 40, a 10 TBN synlube would yield a C* of approx 80 and a 12 TBN synlube would yield a C* of appox 115. I would only use this conversion for SL rated, gas engine oils. For example, I don't think a 12 TBN, petroleum diesel oil will allow you to run drain intervals as long as you'd calculate using this method.

TooSlick
 
There was a post about other factors besides TBN in the "no olm" thread.
This is Tooslicks opinion on other factors.

Originally Posted by TooSlick
Rexman,

The oil change formula posted over on the 3MP is NOT the correct one. This is the actual formula I developed:

OCI = (C*)(ave mpg)(sump in qts)(cubic inches/Hp)

Where C* is a constant which was derived by looking at oil analysis data I've accumulated over the last 10 years. For Amsoil I use a C* of 120, which generates drain intervals of approx 7500 miles for a turbo or motorcycle, up to 15k-20k for a low power density engine driven easily on the highway. If you have an application where you are dirt or soot limited, you can't use this formula and get a good estimation of oil life.

You CANNOT use the TBN times ten as a substitute for this C* value. The rate of TBN depletion varies significantly depending on the quality of basestock and additive chemistry. In addition, TBN depletion is non-linear, as you have seen from the 3MP tests. In other words, a 6 TBN oil will not last 50% as long as a 12 TBN synthetic. In actual practice, it might only last 25%-33% as long.

I don't have as much data on other oils as I do with Amsoil in deriving additional C* values. For Mobil 1 I suggested using a C* of 80, based on the limited data I've seen on this site. For an average quality petroleum lube, I think a C* of 40 is reasonable. The implication of using these various C* values is easy to see ....

Please feel free to contact me off-line if you have any other questions about this OCI formula. BTW, I've made my living as a propulsion engineer for the past twenty years - the Amsoil stuff is something I do on the side.

Tooslick.
Dixie Synthetics
 
Originally Posted by TooSlick
Rexman,

The oil change formula posted over on the 3MP is NOT the correct one. This is the actual formula I developed:

OCI = (C*)(ave mpg)(sump in qts)(cubic inches/Hp)

Where C* is a constant which was derived by looking at oil analysis data I've accumulated over the last 10 years. For Amsoil I use a C* of 120, which generates drain intervals of approx 7500 miles for a turbo or motorcycle, up to 15k-20k for a low power density engine driven easily on the highway. If you have an application where you are dirt or soot limited, you can't use this formula and get a good estimation of oil life.

You CANNOT use the TBN times ten as a substitute for this C* value. The rate of TBN depletion varies significantly depending on the quality of basestock and additive chemistry. In addition, TBN depletion is non-linear, as you have seen from the 3MP tests. In other words, a 6 TBN oil will not last 50% as long as a 12 TBN synthetic. In actual practice, it might only last 25%-33% as long.

I don't have as much data on other oils as I do with Amsoil in deriving additional C* values. For Mobil 1 I suggested using a C* of 80, based on the limited data I've seen on this site. For an average quality petroleum lube, I think a C* of 40 is reasonable. The implication of using these various C* values is easy to see ....

Please feel free to contact me off-line if you have any other questions about this OCI formula. BTW, I've made my living as a propulsion engineer for the past twenty years - the Amsoil stuff is something I do on the side.

Tooslick.
Dixie Synthetics

It sounds like C* ~ BOQI.

Note that for 5W-30 oils, Amsoil SS BOQI ~ 70 - 80 vs. Mobil 1 BOQI ~ 50. So, it agrees with your 120/80 = 1.5 C* ratio.

Code
Rank BOQI DV-35 NOACK Date purchased Oil



1 > 85 ? ? N/A Mobil 1 Extended protection 0W-20

2 84.3 4,110 10.10 2014/02/16 Mobil1 Synthetic API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

3 83.3 3,928 10.70 2015/12/28 Mobil 1 Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

4 81.9 4,316 9.90 2018/01/25 Genuine Nissan Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 Motor Oil

5 80.4 5,122 8.50 Amsoil PDS AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-20 (ASM)

6 78.2 4,182 10.70 2017/03/06 Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

7 66.1 4,102 12.90 2018/01/24 Genuine Toyota Synthetic SAE 0W-20

8 59.0 5,929 10.00 2018/03/12 SuperTech High Mileage Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 Motor Oil

9 57.8 5,884 10.30 2017/03/06 Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic with PurePlus� Technology SAE 0W-20 dexos1

10 57.1 6,068 10.10 2015/12/28 Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

11 54.9 5,958 10.70 2014/02/06 Quaker State Synthetic API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

12 54.0 5,448 11.90 2015/04/01 Beck/Arnley Premium OE Fully Synthetic SAE 0W-20

13 54.0 5,949 10.90 2018/03/12 Royal Purple Synthetic Oil SAE 0W-20 High Performance Motor Oil

14 53.2 5,721 11.50 2015/12/28 Valvoline Full Synthetic SYNPower SAE 0W-20

15 53.0 5,006 13.20 2015/12/28 SuperS SuperSyn Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20

16 51.9 5,819 11.60 2017/03/06 Valvoline Full Synthetic SYNPower SAE 0W-20 dexos1

17 51.7 5,642 12.00 2018/01/24 ACDelco Synthetic SAE 0W-20

18 51.2 5,342 12.80 2017/12/09 Honda Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 Motor Oil

19 49.8 5,537 12.70 2015/12/28 Castrol Edge Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

20 49.5 5,996 11.80 2017/03/07 O'Reilly SAE 0W-20 Full Synthetic dexos1 Motor Oil

21 48.6 5,451 13.20 2014/08/14 Castrol Edge Synthetic Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

22 47.6 5,658 13.00 2015/07/27 STARFIRE SAE 0W-20 Full Synthetic dexos1

23 47.2 5,657 13.10 2014/02/07 Pronto Supreme API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

24 47.2 4,981 14.90 2014/08/25 Starfire Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

25 46.2 5,786 13.10 2015/12/28 ProLine Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

26 45.6 5,113 15.00 2014/12/01 i-Sint XL 4AM Synthetic SAE 0W-20, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

27 44.9 5,647 13.80 2017/12/09 i-Sint XL 4AM Synthetic Engine Oil SAE 0W-20

28 43.5 6,138 13.10 2017/03/06 STP SYN Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

29 43.1 5,723 14.20 2016/01/25 AMSOIL Synthetic OE SAE 0W-20 Motor Oil

30 41.8 5,814 14.40 2014/02/07 MAG1 API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

31 39.7 6,163 14.30 2014/08/11 Federated Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

Code
Rank BOQI DV-30 NOACK Date Oil



1 79.2 3,827 6.60 2013 Pennzoil Ultra� 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

2 79.2 4,008 6.30 2017 Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20 (Amsoil data, 2017 formula)

3 77.4 3,398 7.60 2012 Amsoil Signature Series 5W-30 (PQIA data, 2012 formula)

4 70.1 4,389 6.50 2013 Pennzoil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil. (Yellow Bottle)

5 67.4 3,954 7.50 2017 Amsoil Signature Series 5W-30 (Amsoil data, 2017 formula)

6 63.8 4,017 7.80 2013 Quaker State API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil. (Advanced Durability)

7 57.5 3,996 8.70 2016 Quaker State Ultimate Durability Full Synthetic SAE 5W-30 dexos1

8 54.3 4,184 8.80 2013 Quaker State Ultimate Durability� 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

9 53.9 4,080 9.10 2014 Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil. (PurePlus)

10 51.8 4,884 7.90 2014 AC Delco API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil. (Synthetic Blend)

11 51.8 4,154 9.30 2013 Pennzoil Platinum� 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

12 51.6 3,998 9.70 2013 Formula Shell Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

13 50.4 4,271 9.30 2016 O'Reilly Full Synthetic SAE 5W-20 dexos1

14 50.3 3,937 10.10 2013 Mobil 1 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

15 47.3 4,544 9.30 2017 MILESYN SXR SAE 5W-20 Full Synthetic Engine Oil

16 46.9 4,180 10.20 2016 Meijer Full Synthetic SAE 5W-20

17 44.9 3,352 13.30 2013 Havoline Synthetic, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

18 43.4 4,431 10.40 2013 Auto Extra Full Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

18 43.3 4,614 10.00 2015 LubriGold SAE 5W-30 Full Synthetic dexos1

20 42.5 4,358 10.80 2013 ENEOS Fully Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

21 41.1 4,155 11.70 2016 Castrol Edge Full Synthetic SAE 5W-20 dexos1

22 41.0 5,744 8.50 2017 Navi Guard Ultra SAE 5W-20 Full Synthetic

23 40.9 4,941 9.90 2013 Schaeffer's Supreme 9000� Full Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-30

24 39.8 4,329 11.60 2013 Valvoline SYNPOWER� 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

25 39.6 3,881 13.00 2013 Havoline Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

26 39.4 4,924 10.30 2015 STARFIRE SAE 5W-20 Full Synthetic dexos1

27 39.2 4,512 11.30 2013 LUKOIL Full Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

28 38.7 4,576 11.30 2013 Super Tech Full Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

29 38.7 3,860 13.40 2017 Chevron Havoline Pro DS SAE 5W-20 Full Synthetic Motor Oil

30 38.6 4,179 12.40 2013 FRAM Full Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

31 38.6 4,892 10.60 2016 AutoQuest Full Synthetic SAE 5W-30 dexos1

32 38.3 5,019 10.40 2016 Royal Purple Synthetic Oil SAE 5W-20 High Performance Motor Oil

33 38.2 5,453 9.60 2013 LubriGold� Synthetic 5W-30 API SN, ILSAC GF-5, Dexos�

34 37.7 5,590 9.50 2017 Royal Purple Synthetic Oil SAE 5W-20 High Performance Motor Oil

35 37.2 5,599 9.60 2016 Race Pro Platinum Full Synthetic "SAE 5W20"

36 37.1 4,945 10.90 2013 Amsoil OE 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

37 36.7 5,090 10.70 2013 Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic with Liquid Titanium 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

38 36.1 5,479 10.10 2014 Mobil 1 High Mileage Motor Oil SAE 5W-30, API SL

39 35.9 4,604 12.10 2013 Traveller Full Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

40 35.8 5,126 10.90 2014 Valvoline MAX Life High Mileage, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

41 35.0 4,612 12.40 2016 Preferred Choice Synthetic Blend SAE 5W-30 High Performance Motor Oil

42 34.7 4,611 12.50 2016 AutoZone Full Synthetic SAE 5W-20 dexos1

43 34.3 5,069 11.50 2016 AutoPride SAE 5W-30 All Season Motor Oil

44 33.3 5,411 11.10 2013 NAPA Synthetic Maximun Engine Protection 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

45 33.2 4,152 14.50 2014 National Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

46 33.0 5,562 10.90 2013 Royal Purple� Synthetic Oil 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

47 32.7 4,781 12.80 2017 Sheetz Premium Motor Oil SAE 5W-20

48 32.5 5,544 11.10 2013 Castrol Edge� 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

49 32.3 5,031 12.30 2016 Quantum X-5 Max-Blend Semi-Synthetic Motor Oil

50 32.1 4,156 15.00 2014 Marathon Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

51 32.1 5,832 10.70 2014 Valvoline NextGen API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

52 32.0 5,487 11.40 2015 Quaker State SAE 5W-30 Advanced Durability

53 31.9 5,177 12.10 2015 7-Eleven Motor Oil SAE 5W-30

54 31.7 5,436 11.60 2013 Mobil Super� Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

55 31.4 4,856 13.10 2017 Marathon SAE 5W-20 Performance Series Motor Oil

56 31.4 5,053 12.60 2017 StarFire SAE 5W-20

57 31.3 4,293 14.90 2013 Lucas� Synthetic 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

58 31.1 5,544 11.60 2017 O'Reilly SAE 5W-20

59 31.0 5,038 12.80 2017 CarQuest SAE 5W-20 Full Synthetic

60 30.9 5,782 11.20 2015 American XT Premium SAE 5W-30 High Mileage Motor Oil

61 30.8 5,553 11.70 2013 Proline� Full Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-30 API SN ILSAC GF-5

62 30.6 5,230 12.50 2017 Chevron Havoline SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil

63 30.6 5,595 11.70 2017 Kum & Go SAE 5W-30 Full Synthetic dexos1 Motor Oil

64 30.2 5,480 12.10 2016 Mobil Super Premium Motor Oil SAE 5W-20

65 30.1 5,828 11.40 2017 Zecol-Max Synthetic, Semi-Synthetic SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil

66 30.1 5,323 12.50 2017 AutoQuest by meijer SAE 5W-20 Conventional Motor Oil

67 30.0 5,643 11.80 2015 Zecol-Max Semi-Synthetic SAE 5W-30

68 29.7 5,426 12.40 2015 MAG 1 Motor Oil SAE 5W-20

69 29.6 5,815 11.60 2017 Castrol GTX SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil

70 29.5 5,432 12.50 2017 Preferred Choice Synthetic Blend SAE 5W-20 High Performance Motor Oil

71 29.5 5,264 12.90 2013 SuperS Multi Flo Synthetic Blend API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

72 29.1 5,324 12.90 2016 Smart Living SAE 5W-30 Premium Motor Oil

73 29.0 5,229 13.20 2016 Certified Performance Engineered SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil

74 29.0 5,396 12.80 2016 Speedway SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil

75 28.9 5,400 12.80 2014 Warren Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

76 28.8 5,463 12.70 2016 Kum & Go Synthetic Blend SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil

77 28.7 5,523 12.60 2015 PROLINE SAE 5W-20 All Season Motor Oil

78 28.7 5,407 12.90 2014 Kangaroo Express Motor Oil SAE 5W-30, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

79 28.6 5,339 13.10 2016 Pennzoil Motor Oil SAE 5W-20

80 28.5 5,534 12.70 2016 Valvoline Max Life High Mileage Synthetic Blend SAE 5W-20, dexos1TM

81 28.1 5,237 13.60 2014 HESS Motor Oil SAE 5W-30, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

82 28.0 6,010 11.90 2016 RaceTrac RPMaximum SAE 5W-30 Performance Rated Motor Oil

83 27.9 4,777 15.00 2014 CAM2 SuperPRO Max Motor Oil SAE 5W-30, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

84 27.9 5,687 12.60 2014 Quaker State DEFY API SL SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

85 27.8 5,136 14.00 2013 Castrol GTX API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

86 27.7 6,214 11.60 2015 PENTO SUPER PERFORMANCE III SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil

87 27.7 5,973 12.10 2016 PETROMERICA SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

88 27.6 5,700 12.70 2016 Sinclair Supreme SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil

89 27.4 5,539 13.20 2014 Speedway API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

90 27.3 6,048 12.10 2016 Castrol GTX Motor Oil SAE 5W-20

91 27.1 5,761 12.80 2017 MidWest Guard SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

92 27.0 5,562 13.30 2017 CITGO SUPERGARD SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend

93 27.0 5,615 13.20 2015 Chevron Havoline SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil

94 26.9 5,304 14.00 2016 LUKOIL SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

95 26.7 5,582 13.40 2017 Signature Home SAE 5W-30 Premium Motor Oil

96 26.7 5,586 13.40 2017 Prime Guard SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

97 26.7 5,950 12.60 2017 Chevron Supreme SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil

98 26.5 5,664 13.30 2013 Auto Exra API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

99 26.5 5,316 14.20 2013 CAM2 Super Pro MAX API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

100 26.4 5,482 13.80 2015 Wolf's Head SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil Super-Duty Semi-Synthetic

101 26.4 5,650 13.40 2016 CITGO SUPERGARD SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend

102 26.4 5,737 13.20 2015 DuraMAX Liquid Armor SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend

103 26.4 5,662 13.40 2013 Traveller Premium API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

104 26.3 5,471 13.90 2014 Super S Multi Flo High Mileage Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30

105 26.3 5,471 13.90 2014 Super S Multi Flo High Mileage Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30

106 26.2 5,332 14.30 2016 PROLINE SAE 5W-20 All Season Motor Oil

107 26.0 6,008 12.80 2015 Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic SAE 5W-40, API CJ-4, CI-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4/SM

108 26.0 5,538 13.90 2013 Mobil 5000 API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

109 25.9 5,281 14.60 2013 Atlas Team Clear Blend API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

110 25.9 5,772 13.40 2014 NAPA High Mileage, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 10W-30 motor oil.

111 25.8 5,283 14.70 2013 Proline API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

112 25.7 5,284 14.70 2015 Quaker State Advanced Durability SAE 5W-30

113 25.7 5,646 13.80 2013 Sheetz Premium API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

114 25.7 5,860 13.30 2014 Service Pro API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

115 25.6 6,154 12.70 2015 Safeway SAE 5W-30 Premium Motor Oil

116 25.6 5,790 13.50 2014 Ace Motor Oil, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W20 motor oil.

117 25.6 5,790 13.50 2014 Ace Motor Oil, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W20 motor oil.

118 25.4 5,668 13.90 2016 LMX SAE 5W-20 Premium Motor Oil

119 25.4 5,472 14.40 2015 Peak SAE 5W-30 Conventional Motor Oil

120 25.4 5,594 14.10 2014 Mobil Super High Mileage Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

121 25.2 6,049 13.10 2015 Star Fire SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

122 25.0 5,875 13.60 2014 Pennzoil High Higher Mileage, API SN, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

123 25.0 5,566 14.40 2017 Sunoco Ultra SAE 5W-20 Premium Motor Oil

124 24.9 6,028 13.30 2015 RK SAE 5W-30

125 24.9 5,624 14.30 2013 CAM2� SYNAVEX� 5W-30 API SN, ILSAC GF-5 (Full Synthetic)

126 24.7 5,360 15.10 2013 Formula Shell API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

127 24.6 6,266 13.00 2015 Casey's General Store SAE 5W-30

128 24.5 5,590 14.60 2015 Essential Everyday SAE 5W-30

129 24.5 5,555 14.70 2013 Autozone API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

130 24.5 6,141 13.30 2014 Castrol GTX High Mileage Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

131 24.4 5,975 13.70 2014 RacePro Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

132 24.1 5,489 15.10 2014 O'Reilly High Mileage Motor Oil SAE 5W-30, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

133 24.0 6,208 13.40 2014 Duplex Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

134 24.0 5,595 14.90 2013 Advance Auto Parts API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

135 24.0 6,225 13.40 2017 Premier SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil

136 23.9 6,528 12.80 2017 Vantage 5W-30 SAE Synthetic Blend Oil

137 23.9 5,617 14.90 2013 O'Reilly API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

138 23.9 5,936 14.10 2014 Murphy USA Premium Motor Oil SAE 5W-30, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

139 23.8 5,641 14.90 2015 ACCEL Motor Oil SAE 5W-30

140 23.8 5,764 14.60 2017 Ford Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

141 23.8 5,766 14.60 2017 Phillips 66 Shield Choice SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

142 23.7 5,746 14.70 2016 Valvoline Premium Conventional SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil

143 23.4 6,021 14.20 2013 Pronto Supreme API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

144 23.3 6,164 13.90 2017 Navi Guard Elite SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend

145 23.3 6,082 14.10 2015 SuperTech Conventional SAE 5W-30

146 23.3 5,618 15.30 2013 Peak API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20

147 23.2 5,790 14.90 2014 Advance Auto Parts API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

148 23.2 5,911 14.60 2014 Advance Auto Parts High Mileage, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 10W-30 motor oil.

149 23.1 6,356 13.60 2016 Circle K SAE 5W-30 Premium Motor Oil

150 23.1 5,692 15.20 2014 Valvoline API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil. (White Bottle)

151 23.0 5,828 14.90 2017 Phillips 66 Trop Artic SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

152 23.0 5,720 15.20 2013 Federated Auto Parts API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

153 22.9 6,055 14.40 2015 Valvoline SAE 5W-20 Premium Conventional Motor Oil

154 22.9 5,745 15.20 2013 Motorcraft API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil. (Synthetic Blend)

155 22.9 5,984 14.60 2014 Chevron Supreme API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

156 22.9 5,825 15.00 2014 SurgeGuardAPI SM, ILSAC GF-4, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

157 22.8 5,955 14.70 2015 SynGard Synthetic Blend SAE 5W-30

158 22.7 6,034 14.60 2013 Wolf's Head API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

159 22.7 5,877 15.00 2015 STP Pro Formula 5W-30

160 22.7 6,174 14.30 2014 MAG1 Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

161 22.5 5,846 15.20 2013 CERTIFIED Performance Engineered, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

162 22.3 6,008 14.90 2015 Phillips 66 Trop Artic SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

163 22.3 6,220 14.40 2013 RacePRO Semi Synthetic, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

164 22.3 5,987 15.00 2013 Parts Master API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

165 22.2 5,854 15.40 2014 Delfin Ultimate API SM, ILSAC GF-4, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

166 22.2 5,858 15.40 2014 Havoline Motor Oil with Deposit Shield SAE 5W-30, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

167 22.1 5,739 15.75 2013 76 Super Synthetic Blend, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

168 22.1 5,960 15.20 2014 Brad Penn Synthetic Blend API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

169 22.1 6,292 14.40 2015 Mobil Special SAE 5W-30 Quality Motor Oil

170 21.9 6,373 14.30 2014 Mototech Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

171 21.9 6,004 15.20 2015 Ford Motorcraft SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend

172 21.6 6,165 15.00 2016 Phillips 66 Trop Artic SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

173 21.5 6,124 15.20 2014 SuperTECH High Mileage, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

174 21.4 6,199 15.10 2014 Kendall with Liquid Titanium API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

175 21.3 6,144 15.30 2015 Agip SUPER XL SAE 5W-30, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

176 21.2 6,334 14.90 2014 7-Eleven Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil

177 20.8 5,988 16.05 2014 PEAK High Mileage Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

178 20.7 6,262 15.40 2014 O'Reilly High Mileage API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

179 20.6 2,474 39.20 2017 MORGAS SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend (failed tests)

180 20.6 5,288 18.35 2013 Valvoline NextGen API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

181 20.4 6,326 15.50 2014 MileMaster API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

182 20.3 6,227 15.80 2016 Service Pro Premium Lubricants SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil

183 20.2 6,335 15.65 2014 Evolve API SN/ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-30 motor oil.

184 19.9 6,355 15.80 2013 CITGO SUPERGARD Synthetic Blend, API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 5W-20 motor oil.

185 19.1 6,833 15.30 2017 SuperS Custom Plus SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend (failed tests)

186 11.7 3,197 53.40 2016 Super XXX Platinum 5W30 Premium Motor Oil (failed tests)

List of 0W-20 oils by base-oil-quality index (BOQI): 2018
 
You could use that as C for some hypotheticals but I still think you need to account for the formulation/TBN working with the base oil. Mobil 1 afe has a TBN of 8.8 for example
Tooslick made this during full saps times Comsidering SL formulations. Regardless of base oils the lower saps oils today are handicapped. Although with soot consideration a high quality package may be a waste,of,good,oil, and oil that makes 5k providing protective qualities over oil longevity, may be a direction to look at.
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by TooSlick
Rexman,

The oil change formula posted over on the 3MP is NOT the correct one. This is the actual formula I developed:

OCI = (C*)(ave mpg)(sump in qts)(cubic inches/Hp)

Where C* is a constant which was derived by looking at oil analysis data I've accumulated over the last 10 years. For Amsoil I use a C* of 120, which generates drain intervals of approx 7500 miles for a turbo or motorcycle, up to 15k-20k for a low power density engine driven easily on the highway. If you have an application where you are dirt or soot limited, you can't use this formula and get a good estimation of oil life.

You CANNOT use the TBN times ten as a substitute for this C* value. The rate of TBN depletion varies significantly depending on the quality of basestock and additive chemistry. In addition, TBN depletion is non-linear, as you have seen from the 3MP tests. In other words, a 6 TBN oil will not last 50% as long as a 12 TBN synthetic. In actual practice, it might only last 25%-33% as long.

I don't have as much data on other oils as I do with Amsoil in deriving additional C* values. For Mobil 1 I suggested using a C* of 80, based on the limited data I've seen on this site. For an average quality petroleum lube, I think a C* of 40 is reasonable. The implication of using these various C* values is easy to see ....

Please feel free to contact me off-line if you have any other questions about this OCI formula. BTW, I've made my living as a propulsion engineer for the past twenty years - the Amsoil stuff is something I do on the side.

Tooslick.
Dixie Synthetics

It sounds like C* ~ BOQI.

Note that for 5W-30 oils, Amsoil SS BOQI ~ 80 vs. Mobil 1 BOQI ~ 50.

Code
Rank BOQI DV-35 NOACK Date purchased Oil



1 > 85 ? ? N/A Mobil 1 Extended protection 0W-20

2 84.3 4,110 10.10 2014/02/16 Mobil1 Synthetic API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

3 83.3 3,928 10.70 2015/12/28 Mobil 1 Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

4 81.9 4,316 9.90 2018/01/25 Genuine Nissan Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 Motor Oil

5 80.4 5,122 8.50 Amsoil PDS AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-20 (ASM)

6 78.2 4,182 10.70 2017/03/06 Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

7 66.1 4,102 12.90 2018/01/24 Genuine Toyota Synthetic SAE 0W-20

8 59.0 5,929 10.00 2018/03/12 SuperTech High Mileage Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 Motor Oil

9 57.8 5,884 10.30 2017/03/06 Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic with PurePlus� Technology SAE 0W-20 dexos1

10 57.1 6,068 10.10 2015/12/28 Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

11 54.9 5,958 10.70 2014/02/06 Quaker State Synthetic API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

12 54.0 5,448 11.90 2015/04/01 Beck/Arnley Premium OE Fully Synthetic SAE 0W-20

13 54.0 5,949 10.90 2018/03/12 Royal Purple Synthetic Oil SAE 0W-20 High Performance Motor Oil

14 53.2 5,721 11.50 2015/12/28 Valvoline Full Synthetic SYNPower SAE 0W-20

15 53.0 5,006 13.20 2015/12/28 SuperS SuperSyn Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20

16 51.9 5,819 11.60 2017/03/06 Valvoline Full Synthetic SYNPower SAE 0W-20 dexos1

17 51.7 5,642 12.00 2018/01/24 ACDelco Synthetic SAE 0W-20

18 51.2 5,342 12.80 2017/12/09 Honda Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 Motor Oil

19 49.8 5,537 12.70 2015/12/28 Castrol Edge Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

20 49.5 5,996 11.80 2017/03/07 O'Reilly SAE 0W-20 Full Synthetic dexos1 Motor Oil

21 48.6 5,451 13.20 2014/08/14 Castrol Edge Synthetic Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

22 47.6 5,658 13.00 2015/07/27 STARFIRE SAE 0W-20 Full Synthetic dexos1

23 47.2 5,657 13.10 2014/02/07 Pronto Supreme API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

24 47.2 4,981 14.90 2014/08/25 Starfire Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

25 46.2 5,786 13.10 2015/12/28 ProLine Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

26 45.6 5,113 15.00 2014/12/01 i-Sint XL 4AM Synthetic SAE 0W-20, API SN, ILSAC GF-5

27 44.9 5,647 13.80 2017/12/09 i-Sint XL 4AM Synthetic Engine Oil SAE 0W-20

28 43.5 6,138 13.10 2017/03/06 STP SYN Full Synthetic SAE 0W-20 dexos1

29 43.1 5,723 14.20 2016/01/25 AMSOIL Synthetic OE SAE 0W-20 Motor Oil

30 41.8 5,814 14.40 2014/02/07 MAG1 API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

31 39.7 6,163 14.30 2014/08/11 Federated Motor Oil API SN, ILSAC GF-5, SAE 0W-20 motor oil

List of 0W-20 oils by base-oil-quality index (BOQI): 2018
 
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Originally Posted by Bryanccfshr
There was a post about other factors besides TBN in the "no olm" thread.
This is Tooslicks opinion on other factors.

Thanks for the catch!
 
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