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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: spk2000] #4964160 12/29/18 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by spk2000
Might try straight 20W50 or if you can find a non racing 60. Have often heard the Lucas OS is a 60W base oil. Not even sure it has additives. I poured some in my car once and ran it a bit. Pulled dipstick and could see what others have said bubbly foam on dipstick so I haven't tried it since.


This CarQuest oil seems to be the only 20w50 I can find by searching online that is actually API SN/CF. Walmart's cheaper 20w50 is SN only.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p...0-motor-oil-5-quart-cq650-5qt/11704770-p

But then again, being picky about CF spec is probably silly when I'm talking of dumping Lucas in.


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4964161 12/29/18 10:07 AM
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I bought a restriction guage and put it on that little nub on the air filter lid. The life of the injectors is only about 100k. After that they start weeping which kills mpg.

I bought the timing tool and have adjusted mine. It was way off. The timing does not effect mpg much. It does make a huge difference in power though.

Before I adjusted mine I could not merge on to a freeway safely. Now in going 60mph when I get to the end of the acceleration ramp.


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Linctex] #4964166 12/29/18 10:09 AM
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It still gets 10 city/14-15hwy with cheap all terrain tires. It got slightly better with the mismatched, but worn out highway treads it had before. Timing is off or it might get a little better mpg, but that has nothing to do with oil consumption. .


I think your injection pump is a bit out of time, for sure.

Don't the IDI's lose a degree of timing every 40,000 miles or so?


It was retarded quite a bit from when i got it (14k ago as of right now). While towing an old 27ft travel trailer this summer, I adjusted the timing a couple times, advancing it, and it slightly improved towing power. I've since sold the trailer and I'm back to using my short truck camper. It didn't hurt the mpg but seemed to help with towing. I keep meaning to go to get to somebody to time it properly but haven't.


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4964316 12/29/18 01:51 PM
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It still gets 10 city/14-15hwy with cheap all terrain tires. It got slightly better with the mismatched, but worn out highway treads it had before. Timing is off or it might get a little better mpg, but that has nothing to do with oil consumption. .


I think your injection pump is a bit out of time, for sure.

Don't the IDI's lose a degree of timing every 40,000 miles or so?


It was retarded quite a bit from when i got it (14k ago as of right now). While towing an old 27ft travel trailer this summer, I adjusted the timing a couple times, advancing it, and it slightly improved towing power. I've since sold the trailer and I'm back to using my short truck camper. It didn't hurt the mpg but seemed to help with towing. I keep meaning to go to get to somebody to time it properly but haven't.

Time for a road trip. Bring it here! I'll time it.


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Chris142] #4964329 12/29/18 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris142
Time for a road trip. Bring it here! I'll time it.


Over on another forum, lots of people offer free or cheap timing but it's a matter of getting there. I travel the country full time basically in the truck/tiny camper. Since it runs well, it hasn't been a huge priority.

It needs glow plugs (again) and the "olives". Cold weather (lower 30s and below) shink the olives and the glow plugs can't cope. In the 40s? It's fine. Even starting fluid barely got it going this morning. I have manual control glow plugs so I can safely use it. It starts perfectly in warmer weather or when its warmed up, so yeah.


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4964368 12/29/18 02:34 PM
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Schaffer Oil Moly EP would thicken like Lucas but actually has some additives, I would use STP over Lucas because it also has additives and not just heavy bright stock. Schaffer Moly EP isn't super expensive and available from Amazon.


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: FlyNavyP3] #4964770 12/29/18 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyNavyP3
Schaffer Oil Moly EP would thicken like Lucas but actually has some additives, I would use STP over Lucas because it also has additives and not just heavy bright stock. Schaffer Moly EP isn't super expensive and available from Amazon.


Thanks for the suggestions. Does Scaffer or STP not foam up like Lucas supposedly does?

Then there's also MotorHoney but I don't know what it has or doesn't have.


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4965879 12/31/18 07:38 AM
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Has anyone tried Valvoline Maxlife HD oil in oil burners? I have noticed considerably reduced oil consumption in gas engines after switching to HM oil but have not owned a diesel. Of course, the cause of the burning will determine whether HM oil helps, but I would start here instead of additives. After all, it is only a few $ more than normal oil.

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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: RyanY] #4966099 12/31/18 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanY
Has anyone tried Valvoline Maxlife HD oil in oil burners? I have noticed considerably reduced oil consumption in gas engines after switching to HM oil but have not owned a diesel. Of course, the cause of the burning will determine whether HM oil helps, but I would start here instead of additives. After all, it is only a few $ more than normal oil.


I'm probably going to be trying it. It seems to be thicker. Go check out my thread in the diesel oil board about it:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...onew/1/any-maxlife-15w40-diesel-oil-fans


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4967030 01/01/19 03:31 PM
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If you want thick, good, and cheap, I think Mystik JT8 15w-50 is calling your name. You'll save a little coin not buying a "stabilizer".


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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Cubey] #4975532 01/10/19 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubey
Yeah yeah, I know there is a lot of hatred here for the product. I'm not trying to ask "should i?". I have used it previously and I'm satisfied with the results it provides.

He did provide the correct answer, though. I'd say you shouldn't use it, but that's not what you're asking. However, his answer is correct because it should be fairly trivial and very cheap for a blender to come up with a Lucas clone. Dumbing it down would be the real challenge.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: SuperTech oil stabilizer vs Lucas [Re: Garak] #4975661 01/10/19 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Garak
it should be fairly trivial and very cheap for a blender to come up with a Lucas clone. Dumbing it down would be the real challenge.


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