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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4962251 12/27/18 12:00 AM
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I didn’t notice any changes in oil temps, my truck didn’t do much other than just seemed a tad quieter and didn’t vibrate as bad. I wouldn’t throw it out as snake oil but it’s definitely not the end all be all, I did notice that on UOA’s the additive didn’t appear so who knows what it is actually made of.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4962869 12/27/18 08:21 PM
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I put it in and have driven about 100km (60 miles) so far. So far no change I can see. The oil on the dipstick now has a red tinge to it though.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963408 12/28/18 01:30 PM
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Just looked on Amazon and I see it's going for $129 for a single tube right now. Yikes.

For that price, I can get a 300ml bottle of Liqui-Moly MOS2 for $7.35, a 5qt jug of Pennzoil Platinum, and still have enough left over for a 16-year bottle of Lagavulin single malt and a Ribeye steak for the grill.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963527 12/28/18 03:46 PM
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It seems more than a little bizarre to me to purchase a premium lubricant; the best product available from a brand, and then intentionally defile it in this manner shrug

If AMSOIL's SS lubricant is already a no compromises approach; argued that this is the reason it cannot be API certified, since it is fortified with additives beyond the acceptable level enforced by the API, then what is expected to be gained by then modifying that formula; literally going the opposite direction of the blending philosophy, by adding a foreign substance to it, the performance results of which are completely unknown since the end product has been through none of the testing the original unadulterated lubricant was subject to prior to its release as a finished product.

It also marks as a strike against the veracity of any future claims that the vehicle went X number of kilometers/miles on AMSOIL SS.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963653 12/28/18 05:44 PM
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It was about trying it versus what the video claims because it wasnt at a cost to me and as it happens I dumped it accidentally with today's oil change.

So not that I think it was actually going to do anything insane over oil itself but now we don't need to worry.

Further even if I didn't use this stuff at all there is enough of a peanut gallery here that would find some excuse to call me out on the Amsoil performance as folks did with my Santa Fe so I don't really care what anyone thinks.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: OVERKILL] #4963654 12/28/18 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
It seems more than a little bizarre to me to purchase a premium lubricant; the best product available from a brand, and then intentionally defile it in this manner shrug

If AMSOIL's SS lubricant is already a no compromises approach; argued that this is the reason it cannot be API certified, since it is fortified with additives beyond the acceptable level enforced by the API, then what is expected to be gained by then modifying that formula; literally going the opposite direction of the blending philosophy, by adding a foreign substance to it, the performance results of which are completely unknown since the end product has been through none of the testing the original unadulterated lubricant was subject to prior to its release as a finished product.

It also marks as a strike against the veracity of any future claims that the vehicle went X number of kilometers/miles on AMSOIL SS.



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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963663 12/28/18 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by StevieC
It was about trying it versus what the video claims because it wasnt at a cost to me and as it happens I dumped it accidentally with today's oil change.

So not that I think it was actually going to do anything insane over oil itself but now we don't need to worry.

Further even if I didn't use this stuff at all there is enough of a peanut gallery here that would find some excuse to call me out on the Amsoil performance as folks did with my Santa Fe so I don't really care what anyone thinks.



I'm just thinking for your own personal databank, regardless of what some 3rd party thinks, regardless of the claims, that adhering to the use of a product you've had a great track record with in its unadulterated form would win out over slick marketing and vapid claims shrug

If one is sold on the philosophy of AMSOIL, Redline or any other blender that states that they are blending the best product they can, with no compromises, then potentially negatively impacting whatever synergies they have going on with the components of that product should be a big deterrent in my mind.

It isn't about cost; I couldn't care less if they paid you to use it, it's about the potential impact on the complex qualities of a top-tier product where performance was the metric by which its components were selected and to which the end result was formulated.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963679 12/28/18 06:03 PM
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I was just wanting to see if the TriboTex did quiet the engine and reduced oil temperatures since I have a way of measuring it is all.

Do I think it coats the engine like that similar to Slick 50 claims etc? Not a chance and certainly not for 40,000 miles and even if it did it's not like I'd use it again because there is no real way to prove its effects other than with a teardown.

Also 40K in the grand scheme of some wildly large mileage means nothing anyway.

As for proof of Amsoil, 0 consumption and spotless internals in my Santa Fe after 300k miles (535k km) was more than enough proof for me.

But even if that's not enough for the Peanut Gallery here (not aimed at you) there are others with impressive mileage on the SS product both with bypass and standard setups but that isn't enough either so again I say I could care less what folks think and let their closed minds about trying something different with good evidence supporting it, be their loss.

Most don't run their vehicles that long so in that case there is no benefit anyway.

The only reason I staunchly defend them is because there is no excuse to trash a good brand simply because it doesn't fit their budget, intended use or how they think it should be marketed.

If we had actual proof they were nonsense either in customers blown up engines, poor UOAs or lawsuits or actual teardowns I'd be the first to walk away but that doesn't exist. shrug

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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963689 12/28/18 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by StevieC


As for proof of Amsoil, 0 consumption and spotless internals in my Santa Fe after 300k miles (535k km) was more than enough proof for me.


See, this would be my reason to avoid adding anything to it. ANYTHING. I've torn down a 302 run on SS and it was spotless inside too. If I were using it, I'd take its performance as a given and thus there would be no motivation to dose it with anything shrug


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963707 12/28/18 06:19 PM
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I wasnt hoping to better the performance by dosing, just wanted to see if the additive had any effect on the smoothness of the idle, quietness and oil temperature.

And even if it did the engine is so young that it would mean nothing by the end at some crazy mileage and that's assuming this coating lasts 40,000 miles as they claim.

Anyway, it doesn't matter because it wasnt in there long enough to allow for their minimum of 500 miles. (800km)

At best it was in there for 100km (60 miles) before I accidentally dumped it.

I only did the oil change because it was 15c here today and I thought if i do it now i should be good until March or so when its mild again, and finally I could do it in my folks garage because its wet here today and our house doesn't have a garage.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963714 12/28/18 06:22 PM
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I hear your reasoning, I just can't understand it. I couldn't be motivated to put anything into a product I thought was top-tier, as I simply couldn't accept that something else would improve it. I'm not coming down on you for it, I simply can't follow the logic. Just differences in how we think I guess.

Frankly, I'm glad to hear it is out of there.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963718 12/28/18 06:26 PM
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Call me a cynic but a formulation that contains largely ester and a small amount of beeswax (thickener CAS 8012-89-3) and a very small amount of active Nano-MSH is unlikely to offer the benefits claimed. I will agree that MSH (magnesium silicate hydroxide) has been studied in relation to wear/friction reduction (see STLE paper below) but the testing is not using an engine therefore to extrapolate to the use in an engine is not realistic. There is also only a benefit shown in base oil and I am assuming the PAO/ester matrix that the 1% powder tested in the STLE paper is the base oil in the test. I would like to see how the testing would work in a formulated engine lubricant. Is there a synergistic or possibly antagonistic action between the traditional anti-wear chemistry and the nano-MSH. Then, what about a used oil with say 1000km (600 mile), 5000km (3000 mile) and 10000km (6000 mile) and see if the same effect is exhibited. And, what of the difference between a used (or even new) petrol (gasoline) engine oil and that of a dedicated heavy duty diesel engine oil?

https://www.stle.org/images/pdf/STL...d%20Magnesium%20Silicate%20Hydroxide.pdf

In the STLE paper the study showed a 1% solid content in base oil mix for their testing. What are the benefits at 0.025%, 0.1%, 0.2%, 0.5% etc.? I have added 0.025% for a reason - see the maths below.

According to the MSDS - In lubricated systems, TriboTEX nanomaterial, concentrations are less than 1%, by weight of lubricant fluid [1g nanomaterial] per [5L of Lubricant on average in standard Consumer Vehicles]. Formulations dispensed in containers for Consumer Vehicle Use contain approximately 50 grams of nano Synthetic MSH Nanosheets per Liter of Blended Carried Oil.

The 50g/L is the mid indicated concentration of the nano-MSH in the MSDS. Let's assume it is at this level. 50g/L in the additive, not the final oil solution.

Simple maths says the following:
20mL container volume (single shot)
50g/L nano-MSH in fluid inside the container (1/20 w/vol) - this is available from the MSDS
How much nano-MSH per shot? 1g (0.035 oz) nano-MSH per single 20mL shot.

So, what percentage is this in a 5 litre (5.3 quart) oil system/sump capacity? Using a reasonably standard density of 0.85 this is 4250g/150 oz of oil? 0.024% - about 1/40 of the tested concentration which did show some tribological benefit. The MSDS is correct in saying that the concentration of TriboTEX nano material is below 1% in a 5L standard consumer vehicle. However, the report did not test at these significantly lower concentrations, nor at engine operating temperature, nor in a blended lubricant let alone a used oil part way through its OCI - none of this is mentioned in any TriboTEX literature.

Additives like this one are "pseudo-science" based. Take a bit of valid science and stretch it to the limit of possibility and assume nobody is literate enough (or cynical enough) to read and understand the science and pick holes in the argument.

I see this too many times. Well packaged product, some "pseudo-science" but irrelevant to application using testimonials rather than science to justify their argument. Some of the testimonials may be real, I would expect many are not based upon the simple mathematical analysis of the product and relating it back to the true science done at a concentration level 40 times that recommended by TriboTEX.

Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4963722 12/28/18 06:28 PM
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I hear your reasoning, I just can't understand it. I couldn't be motivated to put anything into a product I thought was top-tier, as I simply couldn't accept that something else would improve it. I'm not coming down on you for it, I simply can't follow the logic. Just differences in how we think I guess.

Frankly, I'm glad to hear it is out of there.



I guess it's like this for me...

1) I thought of this as an engine treatment and not a lubricant performance booster. Like say rust proofing for your vehicle over just waxing the surfaces.

2) I can't resist the urge to tinker with stuff, case and point is the ever so slight hot restart stumble in the Pentastar had me trialing different fuels, pulling the plenum off and gapping the plugs, scoping the ignition coils on dad scope, and ordering a $12 coolant sensor to see if it's that based on what the scan tool is reading versus thermometer in the coolant reading.

I know I'm nuts, it's a new vehicle and it's so minor is just annoying to me but I cant resist messing around with it.

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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: StevieC] #4964391 12/29/18 02:52 PM
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I’m still trying to figure out what is paid for and what is not. A lot of confusion on the saga of this Fiat.


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Re: TriboTEX Oil Additive - Testing Results [Re: Petropolymers] #4964440 12/29/18 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Petropolymers


...Additives like this one are "pseudo-science" based. Take a bit of valid science and stretch it to the limit of possibility and assume nobody is literate enough (or cynical enough) to read and understand the science and pick holes in the argument.

I see this too many times. Well packaged product, some "pseudo-science" but irrelevant to application using testimonials rather than science to justify their argument...


Exactly. thumbsup

What is worrisome to me from a chemical reaction standpoint is the catalyst.

When preparing finished products, you want your individual reactants to have been reacted with a catalyst BEFORE they go into the final mix. And if the catalyst gets "thinned-out" via dilution in the oil, does it really accelerate any reactions?

This just seems very bizarre. crzy We're they trying to impress the "uncritical?"

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