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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: Snagglefoot] #4953339 12/16/18 10:44 AM
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If I hadn't got a free set of Sumitomos I would have chosen Falken Wildpeak AT3s great price and nothing but good reviews.


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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: Imp4] #4953431 12/16/18 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Imp4
Choosing tires based on how the tread looks is a fool's errand.
So much more goes into tire construction and, by extension, overall performance.

There are quite a few (semi) dependable tire review sites out there (Tire rack, Consumer Reports, etc....).

Whatever information you get from those places will be orders of magnitude more dependable than some intetwebs poster that says 'They worked well on my '08 F150!!!'.

Good luck!
cheers

Also, choosing a tire based solely on someone's opinion.


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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: CapriRacer] #4959152 12/22/18 10:57 PM
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Question for CapriRacer....

How much of tread design is "Engineering" vs "Marketing". Just knowing how stuff works in the manufacturing world, I'd imagine the marketing folks probably have a pretty strong hand in the tire appearance, depending on the segment of the market they are targeting. After all, consumers in the market for a performance tire (for example) want a tire that looks like a cool "performance" tire, and not grandmas all-season passenger car tire tread, even if the "grandma" tread performs.


There was this one time where the snow traction was sooooo good, it required a retest. I won't bore you with the details, but if you look at the bottom of the grooves of some tires, you may notice ridges and those are there because of that.



I know the ridges you’re talking about. Do they just add more edges/“paddles” to a tire in what would otherwise be unused space, and do they really make that big a difference?


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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: dogememe] #4959155 12/22/18 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dogememe
If I hadn't got a free set of Sumitomos I would have chosen Falken Wildpeak AT3s great price and nothing but good reviews.


Fun fact, Sumitomo actually produces the Falken brand.


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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: cheesepuffs] #4959290 12/23/18 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cheesepuffs
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Originally Posted by novadude
Question for CapriRacer....

How much of tread design is "Engineering" vs "Marketing". Just knowing how stuff works in the manufacturing world, I'd imagine the marketing folks probably have a pretty strong hand in the tire appearance, depending on the segment of the market they are targeting. After all, consumers in the market for a performance tire (for example) want a tire that looks like a cool "performance" tire, and not grandmas all-season passenger car tire tread, even if the "grandma" tread performs.


There was this one time where the snow traction was sooooo good, it required a retest. I won't bore you with the details, but if you look at the bottom of the grooves of some tires, you may notice ridges and those are there because of that.



I know the ridges you’re talking about. Do they just add more edges/“paddles” to a tire in what would otherwise be unused space, and do they really make that big a difference?


It was enough that the engineers wondered if the test results were somehow screwed up. They retested, then noticed the ridges, then conducted some research to verify - and voila, ridges became a thing!


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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: Jarlaxle] #4959306 12/23/18 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

This sounds very wrong...offhand, many mud tires have little or no siping. You WANT a tire to "pack up" in snow...not so much in mud.


What's funny are the plow trucks around here running around on mud tires. They could do better. Maybe all the extra weight in front helps them crash through to pavement (transiting from job to job) regardless of how good the tires actually are.

Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: Snagglefoot] #4959449 12/23/18 11:34 AM
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So you actually do want a snow tire to pack up with snow? Is this because the snow packed in the tire is supposed to grip the snow over the road? And then the deep tread depth and often times directional V patterns of snow tires I assume are more for slush and wet traction instead of deep snow traction?


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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: cheesepuffs] #4959468 12/23/18 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cheesepuffs
So you actually do want a snow tire to pack up with snow? Is this because the snow packed in the tire is supposed to grip the snow over the road? And then the deep tread depth and often times directional V patterns of snow tires I assume are more for slush and wet traction instead of deep snow traction?



Would like to know also.

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It's the snowball effect. Also take note, that usually a good highway tire will get better snow/ice traction than the knobbiest of AT tires. Maybe trying to claw through 2 feet of snow, a mud tire might work better, but that's about it.


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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: Snagglefoot] #4959887 12/23/18 09:04 PM
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I bought 3 sets of winter tires this fall.

2016 GMC 2500 work truck; 265/70/17 Toyo CT
2013 GMC 1500 SLT 275/60/20 Nitto EXO studded
2018 Chev 3500 HC; 275/65/20 Nitto EXO

On 3rd winter; 2011 2500 GMC SLE 6.6;
275/65/20 Hankook RW-11

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I bought 3 sets of winter tires this fall.

2016 GMC 2500 work truck; 265/70/17 Toyo CT
2013 GMC 1500 SLT 275/60/20 Nitto EXO studded
2018 Chev 3500 HC; 275/65/20 Nitto EXO

On 3rd winter; 2011 2500 GMC SLE 6.6;
275/65/20 Hankook RW-11


Thank you for the great link!!!! Bookmarked right away.


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Re: Photos of Truck Tire Treads [Re: Traction] #4960156 12/24/18 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Traction
It's the snowball effect. Also take note, that usually a good highway tire will get better snow/ice traction than the knobbiest of AT tires. Maybe trying to claw through 2 feet of snow, a mud tire might work better, but that's about it.


I'm going to disagree with that - and point out that problem of discussing snow/ice traction is defining what we mean. Snow can range from very dry and powdery to wet and sticky - and needless to say that optimizing a tire's traction for either of those conditions would result in something different.

Similarly, "ice" can mean a whole range of things as well. So trying to make blanket statements about what is best is fraught with issues.

Further, what is a "highway tire"? Is that the same as an all season? or are we talking about a tire designed for use on a truck used primarily for the highway where wear is the most important thing (which also means it has very little in the way of sipes and cross grooves - and therefore would perform poorly in snow.)

That said, as a general rule, the weather conditions usually encountered means that tires with lots of edges perform better overall. But there are enough varying conditions where "lots of edges" isn't the ultimate answer - for that particular set of conditions. That is what makes these type of discussions inevitable.


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Originally Posted by CapriRacer
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It's the snowball effect. Also take note, that usually a good highway tire will get better snow/ice traction than the knobbiest of AT tires. Maybe trying to claw through 2 feet of snow, a mud tire might work better, but that's about it.


I'm going to disagree with that - and point out that problem of discussing snow/ice traction is defining what we mean. Snow can range from very dry and powdery to wet and sticky - and needless to say that optimizing a tire's traction for either of those conditions would result in something different.

Similarly, "ice" can mean a whole range of things as well. So trying to make blanket statements about what is best is fraught with issues.

Further, what is a "highway tire"? Is that the same as an all season? or are we talking about a tire designed for use on a truck used primarily for the highway where wear is the most important thing (which also means it has very little in the way of sipes and cross grooves - and therefore would perform poorly in snow.)

That said, as a general rule, the weather conditions usually encountered means that tires with lots of edges perform better overall. But there are enough varying conditions where "lots of edges" isn't the ultimate answer - for that particular set of conditions. That is what makes these type of discussions inevitable.




So are snow tires designed to pack with snow (when the snow is wet, not powdery)?


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Originally Posted by cheesepuffs
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Originally Posted by Traction
It's the snowball effect. Also take note, that usually a good highway tire will get better snow/ice traction than the knobbiest of AT tires. Maybe trying to claw through 2 feet of snow, a mud tire might work better, but that's about it.


I'm going to disagree with that - and point out that problem of discussing snow/ice traction is defining what we mean. Snow can range from very dry and powdery to wet and sticky - and needless to say that optimizing a tire's traction for either of those conditions would result in something different.

Similarly, "ice" can mean a whole range of things as well. So trying to make blanket statements about what is best is fraught with issues.

Further, what is a "highway tire"? Is that the same as an all season? or are we talking about a tire designed for use on a truck used primarily for the highway where wear is the most important thing (which also means it has very little in the way of sipes and cross grooves - and therefore would perform poorly in snow.)

That said, as a general rule, the weather conditions usually encountered means that tires with lots of edges perform better overall. But there are enough varying conditions where "lots of edges" isn't the ultimate answer - for that particular set of conditions. That is what makes these type of discussions inevitable.




So are snow tires designed to pack with snow (when the snow is wet, not powdery)?


[[Being very careful with the wording]]

Winter tires are generally all season tires with additional sipes and a tread rubber change. So while the design intent isn't to pack up the tread pattern with snow, that is what happens, which is why those ridges in the groove work.


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So are the ridges supposed to function like paddles, or are the ridges there to actually hold the snow in the tread and keep it packed? Or maybe they’re supposed to keep the grooves clear and stop the snow from sticking? I’m a bit lost now as to what they’re actually accomplishing.


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