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Need a little help with AC Ford 4.6 #4958625 12/22/18 11:13 AM
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The AC in my 04 E150 started acting up a couple of weeks ago, basically it runs good for about 5 minutes than suction line starts to freeze and the compressor clicks on and off constantly.
My initial thought was a restriction, I connected my gauges and pressures seem good but high side needle fluctuated rapidly. I evacuated the system, removed old orifice tube, ran nitrogen through the system, replaced the orifice tube, pulled a good vacuum and still does the same thing, what could it be??

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Re: Need a little help with AC Ford 4.6 [Re: laserred96gt] #4958638 12/22/18 11:33 AM
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Jump the low pressure switch. See if it stays on. If it does what are the pressures?


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Re: Need a little help with AC Ford 4.6 [Re: laserred96gt] #4958650 12/22/18 11:54 AM
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What are the pressures? Are you sure that is the correct orifice tube?

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Re: Need a little help with AC Ford 4.6 [Re: laserred96gt] #4958670 12/22/18 12:26 PM
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I don't remember the pressures right now but basically weighed in the the charge, 40 Oz's, the orifice tube I got at O'Reilly, looked just like the one that came out.


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Re: Need a little help with AC Ford 4.6 [Re: laserred96gt] #4958675 12/22/18 12:31 PM
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The reason I ask about the orifice tube is that most fords use either a maroon or blue The reason I ask about the orifice tube is that most fourth use either a maroon or blue tube. I would look it up by application to verify. Exact pressures would be more helpful other than what it weighed in at. Have you ever added some type of stop leak to the system? The color looks strange unless you added some type of stop leak or orange dye

Is the fan operating properly?

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Re: Need a little help with AC Ford 4.6 [Re: laserred96gt] #4958696 12/22/18 12:49 PM
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Yes there was dye in the system, must have been the previous owner, I have owned the van since 2011 and never had a problem with the AC.
Blower motor is working, it is not blowing as hard as it used when I first bought it though.
I will check the pressures and read them next time.


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Orifice tube systems work by controlling the low side pressure to avoid freeze-up. The boiling point of R-134a varies with pressure. If the pressure is not allowed to fall below about 25 psi, the evaporator won't get cold enough to freeze.

There are two ways to do this. The simple one is to have the low side switch cycle off at 25. Thus the compressor cycles during normal operation. The more sophisticated version is a variable compressor with internal pressure control so it stops pumping below 25. In this scheme, the compressor should not normally cycle. There is a low pressure switch that turns off around 10 to protect against running the compressor in case of a total leak-out.

As others said the pressures are the way to diagnose this.

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When I said fan I mean condenser/radiator fan


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There's are a couple of pictures of the pressures with the compressor on and off.

low side reads 30psi/+1
High site125psi/+15

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Those pressures aren’t bad the high side is on the low side are you sure the system is properly charged? What is the ambient temp? Also when you see the suction line freeze the compressor cycle off? At whatlow side pressure does that happen? If they stay at those pressures it shouldn’t cycle off. It won’t cycle off until less than 10-15psi or less on low side.

Make sure the cooling fan clutch isn’t frozen making it run all the time

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Need ambient temp......looks under charged, if no compressor issue.

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I would look at some sensor as the culprit.

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Im gonna say there isnt enough charge in it and thats why its freezing up.


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Originally Posted by laserred96gt
Yes there was dye in the system, must have been the previous owner, I have owned the van since 2011 and never had a problem with the AC.
Blower motor is working, it is not blowing as hard as it used when I first bought it though.
I will check the pressures and read them next time.

If the evaporator blower is not moving enough air , it can affect the suction pressures . Maybe , even to the point of freezing the coil .

If the condenser blower is not moving enough air , high pressure will be too high .


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