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Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic #4946781 12/08/18 05:56 PM
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Miles on Civic- 524,636
Miles on oil - 14,198
Amsoil 0W-30 AZO
Amsoil EAo36 oil filter
Twin Filtermag CT3.2 magnetic oil filters
Dimple magnetic oil drain plug
5 ozs Liquimoly
47 ozs make up oil

Blackstone Labs; We're still tracking the possibility of a coolant leak for your Civic, and the increase in Potassium suggests it's
getting worse. Sodium hasn't increased much, but you'll want to keep and eye out on your end in case the coolant
level is getting low on you. Copper increased enough to mark too, but 6 ppm isn't really a lot of brass/bronze wear in the
grand scheme of things, so that's just to watch now too. The TBN came back OK at 2.6, and the PCread
17/16/14. WEsuggest cutting back to 10kK miles again because of the

Code
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Aluminum----------------4-------------------------------------------------4 universal average based on a 3,600 mile OCI
Chromium----------------1-------------------------------------------------1
Iron-------------------------20------------------------------------------------9
Copper--------------------6--------------------------------------------------3
Lead------------------------3-------------------------------------------------2
Tin--------------------------0--------------------------------------------------1
Molybdenum-------------325-----------------------------------------------85
Nickel-----------------------0--------------------------------------------------0
Manganese----------------0--------------------------------------------------0
Silver------------------------0--------------------------------------------------0
Titanium--------------------0--------------------------------------------------1
Potassium-----------------90-------------------------------------------------4
Boron------------------------40------------------------------------------------50
Silicon------------------------19-----------------------------------------------11
Sodium-----------------------22-----------------------------------------------43
Calcium----------------------1248---------------------------------------------2135
Magnesium------------------750-----------------------------------------------151
Phosphorus-----------------784-----------------------------------------------713
Zinc----------------------------823-----------------------------------------------833
Barium------------------------0---------------------------------------------------0
[code]


SUS Viscosity @ 210 F--------------------------66.7---------------------------------------------------57-67 (value should be)
cSt Viscosity @ 100 C----------------------------12.06--------------------------------------------------9.4-12.4
Flashpoint in F---------------------------------------390---------------------------------------------------->385
Fuel%---------------------------------------------------<0.5--------------------------------------------------<2.0
Antifreeze %--------------------------------------------POS-------------------------------------------------0.0
Water %--------------------------------------------------0.0---------------------------------------------------<0.1
Insolubles %--------------------------------------------0.3----------------------------------------------------<0.6
TBN-------------------------------------------------------2.6---------------------------------------------------->1.0

Particle counts for ISO oil cleanliness code 17/16/14;

>= 2 microns---1,818 particles
>= 5---------------673
>= 10-------------186
>= 15-------------72
>=25--------------17
>=50--------------1
>=100------------0

Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4946797 12/08/18 06:38 PM
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Looks fine if you want to milk it along. I’m sure a me head gasket would cure the problem.

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Wow! Nice mileage harry j.


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How this Civic is still going is beyond me. Lol.


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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4947013 12/09/18 01:11 AM
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I thought Honda's usually push combustion into the coolant when the HG goes.



edit: just read the other thread. disregard my comment. Maybe you have a slightly porous head casting and a bit of coolant seeps though somewhere.

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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4947068 12/09/18 07:53 AM
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Ok wow. I have not even looked at your report. Lol, I do not even need to look at your report when I see a 1993 Honda civic with 524,636 miles on it. That is one car that is not trying to die.

Kudos to you and that car. You have kept it well and it has treated you good.

Do you have pictures of this car and the odometer? I would love to see it. Feel free to share some pictures, if you do not mind.

Man, I hope you can keep on maintaining this car and it keeps on going even to past 600,000! Great job!

I have a 2008 Nissan Maxima with 243,600 on odometer. My main goal is I hope the car can last atleast past 300,000 miles. Then it can die after that and I will be fine. But I am not just ignoring this car to let it die. I will keep on doing my Maxima right and taking good care of it until it becomes expensive to maintain it.

Till then, I say keep on driving that Civic as I do mine. I love seeing people keep a car that has a lot of miles and still using the car often.


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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4948354 12/10/18 04:35 PM
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The lighting is too poor to take an odo picture, here's one of the front.

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here's an old photo of the engine bay

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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4948358 12/10/18 04:39 PM
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side view

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Thanks for the pictures. That car looks clean. Whenever you have time and the lighting is better, I would truly love that picture of the odometer showing us those miles. Any day you have time. No rush.

The Civic is just simple and straight to the point. Just like I thought it would look like. Just plain simple. That thing should definitely be able to reach atleast 600,000 in its lifetime.

keep on trucking! And thanks for sharing.


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Looks great and the UOA needs improvement. But the engine is at an age and mileage maybe nothing can be done to curb the coolant from entering the oil.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
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I would take one of those Civic's in a heartbeat. Miss those things.


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I'd take a couple runs with 10/30 maybe even try a dino.


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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4949523 12/11/18 11:31 PM
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present miles

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thumbsup Checking in like I do every time this comes up...


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4952465 12/15/18 07:10 AM
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Everytime I use a bottle of Techron fuel system cleaner, the copper level goes up next UOA, has anyone else noticed that?

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Originally Posted by harry j
present miles


Amazing!!!

This is a KEEPER!

I wish it many more miles.

Man, keep on doing what you are doing. You have done well with that car.


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pouring $12qt. oil in this road rat you can bet he's thinking a million miles.


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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: dblshock] #4953250 12/16/18 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dblshock
pouring $12qt. oil in this road rat you can bet he's thinking a million miles.


Don't know where you're getting your pricing information:


[Linked Image]

16 quarts for 149.35 says $9.35 a quart to me.


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4953334 12/16/18 11:33 AM
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Probably because this is what I get.

Wait, do I have to pay a membership fee to get a lower price?

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Yes, you pay to become a member to get the Preferred Price. It’s not a big deal if you buy a lot of products.

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Originally Posted by kschachn
Probably because this is what I get.

Wait, do I have to pay a membership fee to get a lower price?


Yes. Note "Preferred Price" notation on my screen shot. That costs $20 per year....near the same cost as driving to the store several times each year for oil and filters. Or just stock up one year and go 3-4 years without paying for membership. thumbsup


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: JLTD] #4953432 12/16/18 02:01 PM
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I suppose. Or just buy two of these and get free shipping, that comes out to $4.80 a quart which is about half your preferred price. No driving with that either.

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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4953503 12/16/18 04:45 PM
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Oh geez. I simply help correct the price and you are trying to turn this into a "look my oil is cheaper" thread. Well, I'm not playing.

Sorry for the hijack, harryj.


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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Not at all JLTD, I find it very interesting. There's an oil for everyone, I happen to want to use the best oil I can get. Don't tell Amsoil, but I would pay double for

their superb oil.

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Originally Posted by harry j
Not at all JLTD, I find it very interesting. There's an oil for everyone, I happen to want to use the best oil I can get. Don't tell Amsoil, but I would pay double for their superb oil.


Mum's the word. How do you think the new formulation compares to the old?


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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The new formula (that is said to exceed GM's new Dexos 1, gen 2 specs) cleans better than the old formula. That is why the lead increased in my Civic
and then is gradually going down as the residual is being removed. The motor now with 529,000 miles, runs so quietly that you can barely hear it.
The gas mileage jumped up 3 or so MPG. On a recent trip to Clinton, MD The Civic averaged 44.7 MPG on the highway. That was 407 miles and
only 9.1 gallons of regular.

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Originally Posted by harry j
Everytime I use a bottle of Techron fuel system cleaner, the copper level goes up next UOA, has anyone else noticed that?



Interesting observation. I have a few bottles that I just picked up from AAP since they were on sale. Will have to wait until closer to my oil change and see if copper increases. Lol.


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Originally Posted by harry j
The new formula (that is said to exceed GM's new Dexos 1, gen 2 specs) cleans better than the old formula. That is why the lead increased in my Civic
and then is gradually going down as the residual is being removed. The motor now with 529,000 miles, runs so quietly that you can barely hear it.
The gas mileage jumped up 3 or so MPG. On a recent trip to Clinton, MD The Civic averaged 44.7 MPG on the highway. That was 407 miles and
only 9.1 gallons of regular.


What was the cruising speed for the trip? That’s some pretty good gas mileage.


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Nope. Try redline si-1 next time maybe or gumout regane.


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Artem it's good to hear from you. I kinda miss Florida, lived there in the West Palm Beach area for 33 years.

Cruising speed was between 65 and 70 MPH as traffic allowed. I must of had a bit of a tail wind to help out.

The overall gas mileage for the trip was 42.2 MPG.

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Originally Posted by Marco620
Nope. Try redline si-1 next time maybe or gumout regane.



Good idea Marco620, I will do just that, the redline si-1 will have to wait though.

I am not adding anything this interval to confirm my prior observations of elevated copper.

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Impressive, thats alot of miles for any gas engine.

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Originally Posted by harry j
The new formula (that is said to exceed GM's new Dexos 1, gen 2 specs) cleans better than the old formula. That is why the lead increased in my Civic
and then is gradually going down as the residual is being removed. The motor now with 529,000 miles, runs so quietly that you can barely hear it.
The gas mileage jumped up 3 or so MPG. On a recent trip to Clinton, MD The Civic averaged 44.7 MPG on the highway. That was 407 miles and
only 9.1 gallons of regular.



Thanks ...


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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Originally Posted by harry j
The new formula (that is said to exceed GM's new Dexos 1, gen 2 specs) cleans better than the old formula.

In this case though, "exceeding" the spec means it violates a limit, right? Not "exceeding" it by being better.


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Maybe just maybe it actually exceeds it by lower wear that could be shown by say cam wear limits?? Or timing chain wear limits being lower than a Dexos approved oil??



Or it could also be it exceeds the SA limits set by Dexos... Which is true.


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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4958348 12/21/18 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by harry j
The new formula (that is said to exceed GM's new Dexos 1, gen 2 specs) cleans better than the old formula.



In this case though, "exceeding" the spec means it violates a limit, right? Not "exceeding" it by being better.



I see what your getting at kschachn, the new formulation of the Amsoil 0W-30 Signature series oil betters (is superior to)

the new specifications from GM (Dexos 1, Generation 2). Please do some research, and get back to me.

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I think he's pointing out that Amsoil themselves show in their literature that the grades that would normally seek dexos1 approval cannot do so because they exceed SA limits.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Ah yes Garak, this oil will never be approved for Dexos1, gen2 due to higher than specified Sulfated Ash level. Even if it did, the expense of certification is steep.

I'd like to close this can of worms now lol

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New diferent view of engine bay

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Originally Posted by Gasbuggy
I thought Honda's usually push combustion into the coolant when the HG goes.



edit: just read the other thread. disregard my comment. Maybe you have a slightly porous head casting and a bit of coolant seeps though somewhere.





I hope you're right about the porous head Gasbuggy. Anyway, I just added a Bars anti-leak tablet to maybe slow the flow.

The antifreeze overflow bottle has been keeping a pretty constant level, just have to add an ounce or so once in a while.

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BTW, I have 144,400 miles on this head gasket, how long do these things last anyway? Seems to me thay should last a lot longer than that.

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An original one put on at the factory should last a while. I don’t see a reason for it to fail.

Once an engine is rebuilt, it’s hard to insure 100% smooth straight surfaces, so who knows.

140k @ 12k a year although doesn’t seem like long enough (should last for 300k or more) seems reasonable enough.

Just sucks to have to crack the block open for repairs.

Obviously the tablet you put in is temporary. Wouldn’t it make cleaning and fixing the issue later much harder?

I recently bought some wheels and one had that stupid green fix a flat goo all over inside the rim. The shop couldn’t even scrape it off. Just mounted new rubber as is. mad


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Re: Amsoil 0W-30, 14,198 MILES, 1993 Civic [Re: harry j] #4960081 12/24/18 05:38 AM
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Artem, as you point out, the anti-leak tablets are only a temporary solution. It will take a short time to cobble together the parts

Needed to do the head gasket replacement. I don't think cleaning will be much of a problem if memory serves, the last HG change was straight forward,

no problems at all.

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Sounds good. Best of luck to ya man. Keep us updated.


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Love this thread.

But honestly.... This engine seems impossibly spotless for have almost 600k miles on it. Good work!!


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I keep forgetting to post that this whole thing is a continuation under the title of "Amsoil SSO 0W-30, 1993 Civic, 3,007 miles"

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Wow you are racking up the miles on that Honda. The best I ever did was 242,000 on a 2003 Toyota Corolla. It was a hospital courier car and used on long trips to deliver medical stuff. It ran great when I sold it and I am sure it is still running around somewhere.


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I'll bet that Corolla is still on the road, what is it that everyone says, Oh yeah, I miss that car and I'm sorry I sold it.

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Harry j,

Congrats on the longevity of the Civic. Great job!

Now, kindly tell us DIY detailers how you manage to keep that engine bay so spotless that Phisbin is still in awe.


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Constant reconditioning of parts that show even the slightest sign of wear / degradation over the years. A $5 rattle can of paint goes a long way. Lol.


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Now, Artem.

I doubt that Harry painted the wires and black plastic.

Gyeon Prep followed by Gyeon Trim, maybe.
Sonus Motor Kote. More likely, considering the cost of G-Trim.

Let’s wait to hear it from the “Half Million Miler” himself.

Harry?


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I use various products under the hood. For the metal work, just about any metal polish can be used. The plastic was hand polished using connoisseurs

disposable polish wipes followed by F11 Top Coat. Armorall has a new wax wipe, although It's some kind of polymer, applied with bamboo knitting

needles of various sizes depending on the area to be cleaned. The valve cover was treated to McGuires extreme rubber dressing wipes.

That's pretty much it, unless you have a specific question on any process or item.

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Thanks!

And here’s wishing for all the future miles that you want on your Civic.


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A big thanks to Trav for the excellent service on my fuel injectors, the Civic runs like new (better than). These are the original injectors

still working after 530,000 miles!

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dkryan, thankyou for those kind words, I can't believe the Civic has lasted this long. I find it interesting in seeing just how long it will last.

Of course Honda would like to sell me a new one

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laugh

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Amazing run on this Honda. I have a 1993 S10 with 2.8L that has 207k on it. Original motor, clutch, tranny. Just maintenance items that have been replaced. 1993 was a good year for cars.


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I totally agree bradtech, it was the golden years for Honda and others. I guess they realized their mistake and we have what we have today lol

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I changed out the PCV valve and that seemed to cure some of the problems I've been having. The old one

was hopelessly clogged. 530,200 miles

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The original had 530k on it?!?! shocked2


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My apologies Artem, the 530,200 mileage figure was really a note to myself for when I just changed the PCV valve.

The thing is that I used to change the air filter and the PCV valve at 12,000 miles. Since I've been on this web site,

I learned that changing the air filter too often is not the best choice. So, I haven't been changing the PCV valve as

often as in the past. This one went 30,000 miles. I will have to rework my PCV valve interval back to 12,000 miles.

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Originally Posted by harry j
Ah yes Garak, this oil will never be approved for Dexos1, gen2 due to higher than specified Sulfated Ash level. Even if it did, the expense of certification is steep.

Formulators had to reduce SA when CJ-4 came out and somehow managed. wink Now, I'm not sure how steep dexos1 certification is, but it is perfectly acceptable to me for Amsoil to make that disclaimer that they cannot meet dexos1 due to SA.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Amsoil SAY that the price of certification is steep...TomNJ says otherwise.

But certification would mean that they have to retest every time they changed base oil supplier...thy don't want to do that and have said as much.


If it's the truth....it can handle the pressure !!!
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In reference to another thread, in the Euro section, I believe, there was mention that the testing is costly for various specifications. Of course. However, if you're going to claim to meet and exceed specifications (without actually getting formal approval), shouldn't the actual testing be done? I have zero problem with an oil saying (and we even see it from the majors) that it would meet all of GF-5 except it has too much phosphorus and/or has too high HTHS and/or is the wrong grade. If that's the case, I'm fine if they ran the other tests.


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I see your point Garak and I would like to see such tests done as well.

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I've had this annoying, just audible bearing noise, especially at low idle. To keep a longish story short, it turned out to be

the A/C idler bearing.

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thats super clean engine bay and exterior for that age. Cleaner than my 5k miles Camaro! Are you first owner?


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s2krunner, I purchased this Civic in 2000, it had 64,000 miles on it at that time.

Now heading to 532,000 miles, I couldn't be happier with not only the performance, but also the utility of it.

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I didn't start using Amsoil 0W-30 until it had 118,000 miles on it. I didn't find out about BITOG until quite a bit later.

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That is a boat load of miles - WOW. Automatic transmission to boot, how many transmissions have you had to replace as i know those Honda boxes can be weak.

My sister had a '93 EX Coupe she drove to ~280k miles then handed it down to my stepbrother, he had it just shy of 300k when he did an oil change the old filter gasket stayed in place and it puked all the oil out and engine seized up so they sent it to the junker. This was a Minnesota car its entire life and it did not have it easy, coming from a V6 Corsica my sister pushed that thing HARD. "Normal" acceleration for her would be revving it out to 5000-5500 RPM to get to speed, I'm sure it was the same for my stepbrother. To this day they both wonder how many miles it could have gone had he not mucked up that oil change.


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pezzy669, the transmission is the original unrebuilt automatic transmission. the only things I have done to it

is change the fluid often (every 10,000 miles) and use Amsoil ATF. I also got rid of the factory joke of a magnetic drain plug

and had special hi temp neodyium magnets made for it. I smashen out the piece of junk factory magnet, drilled the plug out 1/2"

deep and JB welded the magnet in. The JB weld was overkill as the magnet is so strong, that it would have held itself in the

Factory plug.

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I have been posting on BITOG since the Civic had 241,000 miles, but I started using the Amsoil ATF at around 120,000 miles. The current

mileage is 532,000.

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What do you BITOGERS think about putting one of the extremely strong Neo magnets inside the oil filter?

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Originally Posted by harry j
pezzy669, the transmission is the original unrebuilt automatic transmission. the only things I have done to it

is change the fluid often (every 10,000 miles) and use Amsoil ATF. I also got rid of the factory joke of a magnetic drain plug

and had special hi temp neodyium magnets made for it. I smashen out the piece of junk factory magnet, drilled the plug out 1/2"

deep and JB welded the magnet in. The JB weld was overkill as the magnet is so strong, that it would have held itself in the

Factory plug.


I would like to see a picture of this. Amsoil ATF is awesome stuff and my go to ATF fluid.

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You are changing your Amsoil ATF every 10,000 miles? That's excessive or did you mean every 100,000? I run it 60,000 miles at least and it's always cherry red when it comes out. I got 300K miles out of my Santa Fe doing that.

As for filter magnets, just put them on the outside of the filter's metal case, but I don't think you need them with the miles you have accumulated. grin2

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StevieC, the transmission has an aluminum casing, I think you are talking about the oil filter. The fluid is changed every 10,000 miles (3 quarts)

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pezzy669, the transmission is the original unrebuilt automatic transmission. the only things I have done to it

is change the fluid often (every 10,000 miles) and use Amsoil ATF. I also got rid of the factory joke of a magnetic drain plug

and had special hi temp neodyium magnets made for it. I smashen out the piece of junk factory magnet, drilled the plug out 1/2"

deep and JB welded the magnet in. The JB weld was overkill as the magnet is so strong, that it would have held itself in the

Factory plug.


I would like to see a picture of this. Amsoil ATF is awesome stuff and my go to ATF fluid.



I am not sure a picture of the transmission would tell you anything. I will try to get ths camera to work again

and take whatever photo I can of the transmission

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mileage is 532,000.


Nice! Cheers2


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1993 Civic automatic transmission pictures

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That's a seriously clean engine bay for a daily driver... Kudo's


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Originally Posted by StevieC
You are changing your Amsoil ATF every 10,000 miles? That's excessive or did you mean every 100,000? I run it 60,000 miles at least and it's always cherry red when it comes out. I got 300K miles out of my Santa Fe doing that.



I also think that 10k is a big excessive.

I was doing 15k drain n fills on my 07 Civic Si 6spd manual but only because I was driving the snot out of it daily, revving to 8,600rpm and after 15k of city abuse, I could start to feel the gears getting crunchy and fresh fluid would smooth things out instantly.

10k on an automatic eco box that isn’t driven hard seems like overkill.


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The OP did what I didn’t do: He took care of the cosmetics of the car as well as the mechanicals.

Easing along down the highway in a rolling dung heap with a purring engine is a mixed pleasure at best.

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Originally Posted by harry j
1993 Civic automatic transmission pictures


I thought transmissions only came in brown. On a serious note, that looks great.


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Originally Posted by Artem
Originally Posted by StevieC
You are changing your Amsoil ATF every 10,000 miles? That's excessive or did you mean every 100,000? I run it 60,000 miles at least and it's always cherry red when it comes out. I got 300K miles out of my Santa Fe doing that.



I also think that 10k is a big excessive.

I was doing 15k drain n fills on my 07 Civic Si 6spd manual but only because I was driving the snot out of it daily, revving to 8,600rpm and after 15k of city abuse, I could start to feel the gears getting crunchy and fresh fluid would smooth things out instantly.

10k on an automatic eco box that isn’t driven hard seems like overkill.




Perhaps Artem, but it's hard to argue with 532,000 miles on the original transmission

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Yea but who’s to say that the 10k flushes are the reason?

You could have done 60k on the Amsoil Lube and will be in the same spot you’re at now.

Could have done 100k drains and be @ 500k as well. It’s the high quality fluid that helps to keep the transmission happy.

With your argument, I say you drop down to 3k interval and do both the engine and transmission at the same time while the front end is jacked up. Lol.









I’m just kidding of course.

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3K, mmm, you may just have something there Lol

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Those things were bulletproof to begin with so I think a longer interval on the trans would be fine and you would have gotten to that mileage. Now I only put 300K on my Santa Fe but I did so on a transmission known for debris in the oil that shows up on the dipstick and has no user serviceable filter all with the OCI's for the trans I was talking about so your 10K miles is really overkill but me being OCD I can understand the conundrum.


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Got a GReddy drain plug on my Civic now. Works well.
http://www.greddy.com/products/accessories/mag-drain/


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Marco620, Those magnets are very powerful and should make a good difference. My problem with them is

that the magnet is not very wide and tends to fracture at the end when you take them out for an oil

change. What happens is they fly through the air and slam into the oil pan. What you have to do is

grasp the plug very firmly when its all the way loose, and then yank it down quickly. Please look

into the Dimple magnetic oil drain plug.

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You know there is a rivalry between us on who will take their civic farther in mileage. You got more but I got more faster thumbsup I use the Greddy so it's got a SCCA certified. I think Skunk2 makes a set too. I thought about going to redline 0w30 but first I need to at least upgrade the valves and springs and add a small turbo or 35nos before I go up another weight. Happy Honda Days!!!!


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It's been 3,000 miles now since the Barr's anti-leak tabs were introduced to the cooling system.

The overflow bucket remains at the full mark.

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Originally Posted by Marco620
You know there is a rivalry between us on who will take their civic farther in mileage. You got more but I got more faster thumbsup I use the Greddy so it's got a SCCA certified. I think Skunk2 makes a set too. I thought about going to redline 0w30 but first I need to at least upgrade the valves and springs and add a small turbo or 35nos before I go up another weight. Happy Honda Days!!!!



Tell me more Marco620.

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Originally Posted by jimbrewer
The OP did what I didn’t do: He took care of the cosmetics of the car as well as the mechanicals.

Easing along down the highway in a rolling dung heap with a purring engine is a mixed pleasure at best.



jimbrewer, I always get a good laugh when I read your comment about the rolling dung heap LOL

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Originally Posted by StevieC
That's a seriously clean engine bay for a daily driver... Kudo's



Thanks StevieC, you have inspired me to redouble my effrorts, I will post a photo if you like. 533,000 miles

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I like a clean machine

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The photo above should have read, valve adjustment. Only one intake valve was a little tight, all the others were OK.

I read somewhere that as an engine gets older, there is less of a need to adjust the solid lifters.

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cheers


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Miles on Civic--534,093
Miles on oil-----9,457
Amsoil 0W-30 AZO
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Amsoil EaO36 oil filter
Twin Filtermag CT3.2's
Dimple magnetic oil drain plug
5ozs LiquiMoly
41 ozs makeup oil

Blackstone Labs; The Particle Counts read a bit cleaner this time, at 15/14/12. Maybe that's because this was a shorter oil change,
though you had a sample with just under 10,000 miles on it with a higher PC. Maybe you did something different with filtration. In any
case, this is a good PC reading. Wear looks great too. We're still seeing potassium, and silicon is higher, though neither one seems
to be causing any wear problems. We're not sure if potassium is coolant or not, but if it is, some engines can go ages without that ever
developing into a full-blown issue. Check back

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Aluminum------2-----------------4 (universal average based on 3,500 mile OCI)
Chromium-----1------------------1
Iron--------------17----------------9
Copper----------4-----------------3
Lead--------------2----------------2
Tin----------------0-----------------1
Molybdenum---332--------------85
Nickel------------0-----------------0
Manganese-----0-----------------0
Silver--------------0----------------0
Titanium----------0-----------------1
Potassium--------54--------------4
Boron--------------50--------------51
Silicon--------------47-------------121
Sodium-------------16--------------43
Calcium------------1466-----------2132
Magnesium--------937------------154
Phosphorus--------888------------714
Zinc-------------------996-----------833
Barium---------------0----------------0
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SUS Viscosity @ 210F---------63------------------------57-67(values should be)
cST Viscosity @ 100C----------11.07--------------------9.4-12.4
Flashpoint in F---------------------385--------------------->385
Fuel %--------------------------------trace-------------------<2.0
Antifreeze %-------------------------?------------------------0.0
Water %--------------------------------0.0--------------------<0.1
Insolubles %--------------------------0.3--------------------<0.6
TBN-------------------------------------2.9-------------------->1.0

Particle counts for ISO code 15/14/12;
>=2 microns----------454
>=5----------------------168
>=10--------------------46
>=15--------------------18
>=25--------------------4
>=50--------------------0
>=100------------------0

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Thanks thumbsup


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StevieC, you're welcome.

I just wanted to note that the copper level dropped from 6ppm to 4ppm. I didn't use any Techron fuel system cleaner this time.

The high silicon level is probably due to the valve adjustment that I had done recently.

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the Silicon level for the universal average should have been 11, not the121 shown in the above OCI report.

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the Silicon level for the universal average should have been 11, not the121 shown in the above OCI report.



It seems it's not affecting iron wear which is the important part. Your still within the safe OCI zone at 15K.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
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861,000 kilometers and still going strong.

Antifreeze overflow bucket remains at full level.

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861,000 kilometers and still going strong.

Antifreeze overflow bucket remains at full level.


he int varje da man siir he di på ein bil =not every day you see that kind of km on a car!👍

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Incredible thread! I know these 90's Toyota / Honda cars are known to go forever but this thing looks like it might hit a million miles!


I am a bit curious as to what a similar engine (say 300K) plus might look like if it were running a "cheaper" synthetic motor oil. To go
even further, I'd like to possibly further compare the OP's engine that has had Amsoil most of it's life, to the cheaper synthetics, to yet
again the conventional oils we have available today.

Would be really nice to see a full spread of used oil samples, and what the internals of the engine look like. I'm sure that is wishful thinking
though!

Seriously impressed with how clean that car is all around, looks as good as it probably did from day 1 or maybe even better! You can tell
that a lot of time and love went into taking care of that thing.

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Thankyou for those kind words battleman13.

I'm in the middle of an experiment right now, I have noticed that in the past, whenever I used Techron fuel system cleaner, the

Copper level goes up. So before I change over to Regane, I am adding 5 bottles (not all at once) over the 10,000 mile OCI.

With 540,000 miles on it now and the next oil change due at 544,000 miles, I have an opportunity to go through more than

the usual one bottle of Techron.

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I think once you get over 200,000 miles using a quality synthetic oil you look back and wouldn't use a lesser oil to achieve where your at. I could have used the fvp synthetic oil 0w20 from Menards and it might have taken me this far but I am content like many others who use a little bit more well known oil. You get what you pay for. Take care of that Honda thumbsup


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Marco620 you have to have faith. How many times has a product sounded to good to be true only to disappoint?

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I think that a lot of drivers get tired of what they are driving now, or see something they like better. It is important

to keep the vehicle looking new (or better than new) inside and out- no "rolling dung heaps"

for longevity of ownership. I have been driving the tires off this Civic for 19 years now. I am still

amazed that new OEM parts are still available, and sometimes available at the dealership parts counter!

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Outstanding!


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Thank you ofelas! Just turned 540,000 miles/870,000 kilometers- all is well

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Four pages to this thread and you never mentioned Liqui Moly.
Is this an oil additive and where did you get it? Got a link?


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Thanks anyways Harry. I ordered two 10oz bottles Liqui Moly Engine Oil Additive MoS2 2009 on FleaBay.
$16.00 total and free shipping. I will divide the 20oz into four OCIs.

That should guarantee me 200+K miles on my Consumer Top-10 Worst Engine (2.4 GDI Theta).... lol


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I listed Liqimoly in my UOA report. I have been using it for some time now. I add 5ozs which is

a bit of underdose because the Amsoil 0W-30 already contains some moly. I like the protection

it gives on startup and to protect the cylinder wall and cam lobes.

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Thanks anyways Harry. I ordered two 10oz bottles Liqui Moly Engine Oil Additive MoS2 2009 on FleaBay.
$16.00 total and free shipping. I will divide the 20oz into four OCIs.

That should guarantee me 200+K miles on my Consumer Top-10 Worst Engine (2.4 GDI Theta).... lol

How so?

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R2D2 told me you need better meds for your Pessimism Syndrome CT8.


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Wow! I guess my next commuter car will be a Honda. Those miles are amazing.

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Wow! I guess my next commuter car will be a Honda. Those miles are amazing.


LOL they don't build them like they used to!


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In: Havoline Pro DS 10w-30 Purolator PureOne 3-14-19 129693
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Originally Posted by bgm6881
Wow! I guess my next commuter car will be a Honda. Those miles are amazing.


LOL they don't build them like they used to!

+1


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Originally Posted by bgm6881
Wow! I guess my next commuter car will be a Honda. Those miles are amazing.



You have to take care of whatever you drive, how long do you think a Rolls Royce would last with no maintenance?

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That Potassium level is concerning.


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Originally Posted by ZZman
That Potassium level is concerning.



The potassium level is a concern to me too ZZman. Blackstone labs has advised me to go to 10,000 mile OCI's

but added that it doesn't seem to affect wear any. The antifreeze overflow bottle looks full everytime I look

at it, though the level varies up and down, 541,000 miles.

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Here's a couple of shots taken today

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877,000 kilometers now Bjornviken!

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I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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Excellent work, that engine is spotless! I love checking in on this car. Keep up the good work!

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^^^^^^^^^^

I agree one hundred percent....


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Hey Harry
Did you take off the valve cover to repair something or to look and see what it looks like after 1/2 million miles ?

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kstanf150, I had the timing belt covers chromed so it was necessary to remove the valve cover. See the recent photo above on page 4.

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Miles on Civic 544,154
Miles on oil 10,096
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Amsoil eao15k20 oil filter
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Dimple magnetic oil drain plug
5 ozs Liquimoly
30 ozs makeup oil.
5 bottles of Techron + fuel system cleaner

Blackstone Labs; Potassium and sodium have both increased, so it seems like the small coolant leak that's been
present for the last year or so has gotten worse. A couple of the other marks in this report are likely related
-coolant can cause the viscosity to thicken up and can also turn the oil abrasive and accelaerate metal wear, like iron here. 1% fuel fuel is ok
the TBN was still quite strong at 3.0 and the Particle counts was the cleanest on the page at 14/13/10. Due to the coolant increase,
We'd suggest a shorter oil run (5,000 miles or less0 to prevent accumulation. check back

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Aluminum--------3---------------4 universal average based on 5,900 miles
Chromium--------1---------------1
Iron-----------------34--------------9
Copper------------4----------------3
Lead----------------4---------------2
Tin-------------------0---------------1
Molybdenum------328------------85
Nickel---------------0----------------0
Manganese--------0----------------0
Silver-----------------0----------------0
Titanium-------------0----------------0
Potassium----------243-------------4
Boron-----------------40--------------51
Silicon-----------------18-------------11
Sodium----------------35-------------43
Calcium---------------1198-----------2132
Magnesium------------899-----------154
Phosphorus-----------682------------714
Zinc----------------------788------------833
Barium,------------------0--------------0
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SUS Viscosity @ 210 F------68.7-------------------57-67 (range should be)
cSt Viscosity @ 100 C--------12.62-----------------9.4-12.4
Flashpoint in F-------------------365------------------->385
Fuel %------------------------------1.0--------------------<2.0
Antifreeze %-----------------------POS------------------0.0
Water %-----------------------------0.0--------------------0.1
Insolubles %------------------------0.3--------------------<.06
TBN-----------------------------------3.0-------------------->1.0


Particle counts for ISO code 12/13/10;

>=2 microns 184
>=5-------------68
>=10------------19
>=15------------7
>=25------------1
>=50------------0
>=100-----------0




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It looks like the Techron fuel system cleaner doesn't affect the copper wear as I had suspected.

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How 'bout that Potassium...Yikes!

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I understand the pure curiosity involved in such a test.

But otherwise, really, what’s the point? Whatever you did to get there works, right?

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kstanf150, I had the timing belt covers chromed so it was necessary to remove the valve cover. See the recent photo above on page 4.


The valve train is spotless
Amazing for that many miles
It’s apparent you’ve gone above and beyond to maintain your engine
Looks good as new

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That is a lot of potassium. Has your coolant level changed at all?

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The coolant level has been steady for months now, sure it varies up and down a bit, but nothing outrageous

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Is the trans original??

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Holy cow! Now that's something you don't see everyday. It looks better than new! Go Harrys honda go!

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Originally Posted by loneryder
Is the trans original??


Yes, it is the un-rebuilt original automatic transmission that's been fed a diet of Amsoil ATF since 120,000 miles.

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That is a lot of potassium. Has your coolant level changed at all?




I was just wondering.... do you think that the 5 bottles of Techron I used, counteracted the Barrs anti-leak tablets?

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Originally Posted by harry j

I was just wondering.... do you think that the 5 bottles of Techron I used, counteracted the Barrs anti-leak tablets?

You add the Techron to the gas tank and the Bars leak to the coolant, right?
I haven't heard of Techron causing high K in UOAs.


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I was thinking that wherever the leak plugged by the Barrs anti-leak tablet, became undone due to the action of the Techron

which was absolutely not used per directions. I wanted to see if the copper level went up and I exaggerated the Techron use.

It had no effect on the copper.

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This thread is amazing! approved


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I contacted Blackstone Labs and asked them if it was possible all the Techron that was used in the last OCI could have

cleaned out the Barr's anti-leak tablets work. Yes that is a possibility a Blackstone representative said.

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547,000 miles

New chrome timing belt cover holding up well

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Originally Posted by harry j
BTW, I have 144,400 miles on this head gasket, how long do these things last anyway? Seems to me thay should last a lot longer than that.


My 1st one went at 190k (B18B1, Integra automatic), then it lasted about 80K miles and blew because of a stuck closed radiator cap that only let out coolant into the overflow tank but not back in, it ran the radiator low and therefore warp the head. Not the head gasket's fault though.


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Originally Posted by harry j

I was just wondering.... do you think that the 5 bottles of Techron I used, counteracted the Barrs anti-leak tablets?

You add the Techron to the gas tank and the Bars leak to the coolant, right?
I haven't heard of Techron causing high K in UOAs.



Yes, the Barr's Anti-leak tablets went into the cooling system and the Techron into the gas tank.

If there was a minor leak in the head gasket that was plugged by the Barr's anti-leak,

the Techron may have eaten it

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My 1st one went at 190k (B18B1, Integra automatic), then it lasted about 80K miles and blew because of a stuck closed radiator cap that only let out coolant into the overflow tank but not back in, it ran the radiator low and therefore warp the head. Not the head gasket's fault though.[/quote]



Because of your post PandaBear, I determined that my radiator cap was starting to go bad. For months the anti-freeze in the overflow bottle was relatively

steady. Lately the level in the bottle was going up. So I checked the radiator and the level was a little low. A new radiator cap solved the issue. You may

have saved my engine. 548,000 miles

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Changed head gasket, 549,000

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Miles on Civic-549,314
Miles on oil--5,160
Amsoil AZO 0W-30
Amsoil Eao36 filter
Twin Filtermag CT3.2's
Dimple magnetic oil drain plug
5 ozs Liquimoly
32 ounces makeup oil

Blackstone Labs; It looks like changing the head gasket was the right move, since potassium and sodium
were at their highest yet in this sample. Everything else actually looks pretty steady (even iron, once we factor in
the much shorter interval you used this time), so it might be October before we see signs of the repair in the oil.
Even if we don't, we'll definitely be looking for signs of coolant to start waning. Fuel stayed away this time, and the
viscosity came back in spec. TBN at 4.6 shows additive left, and the PC was 22/21/19. Fingers crossed for good
news next oil change.

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Aluminum--------------------3------------------------------------------------------4 (universal average based on 5,900 mile OCI)
Chromium--------------------1------------------------------------------------------1
Iron-----------------------------19----------------------------------------------------9
Copper-------------------------2-----------------------------------------------------3
Lead----------------------------0-----------------------------------------------------2
Tin-------------------------------0-----------------------------------------------------1
Molybdenum------------------318-------------------------------------------------85
Nickel---------------------------0-----------------------------------------------------0
Manganese-------------------0------------------------------------------------------0
Silver---------------------------0------------------------------------------------------0
Titanium------------------------0-----------------------------------------------------1
Potassium---------------------308--------------------------------------------------4
Boron----------------------------29---------------------------------------------------51
Silicon---------------------------19---------------------------------------------------11
Sodium--------------------------43---------------------------------------------------43
Calcium--------------------------1145-----------------------------------------------2130
Magnesium----------------------884------------------------------------------------154
Phosphorus---------------------674-------------------------------------------------713
Zinc--------------------------------743------------------------------------------------833
Barium----------------------------0---------------------------------------------------0

SUS Viscosity @ 210 F----------62.9--------------------------------------------57-67 (values should be)
cSt Viscosity @ 100 C----------11.04-------------------------------------------9.4-12-4
Flashpoint in F---------------------415--------------------------------------------->385
Fuel %-------------------------------<0.5--------------------------------------------<2.0
Antifreeze %-----------------------POS--------------------------------------------0.0
Water %-----------------------------0.0----------------------------------------------<0.1
Insolubles %-----------------------0.3-----------------------------------------------<0.6
TBN----------------------------------4.6----------------------------------------------->1.0
TAN-----------------------------------not done
ISO Code----------------------------22/21/19

Particles for ISO Oil Cleanliness Code 22/21/19;

>=2 Microns--------------54,993
>=5--------------------------20,363
>=10-------------------------5,673
>=15--------------------------2,170
>=25--------------------------521
>=50--------------------------46
>=100-------------------------3

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Does anyone know how long it takes to burp out all the air from the cooling system?

It has been a couple of weeks since the new head gasket was installed and the

level in the overflow reservoir has been slowly going down. I initially filled it to the full mark

right after the change and had to add some blue Honda coolant the next day. The level had gone

from full to the minimum line. Now it is about 5mm below the full mark.

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are you saying you are trying to burp it by just driving it around?


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In effect, yes. The cooling system is filled as much as possible at the Honda service dept. The level is usually

down some in the overflow reservoir the next day. This usually goes on for a couple of days, requiring less and less each time,

until the level stabilizes.

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ok if you got it done at honda they would have burped it for you already. i ended up having to replace some coolant in my car i just parked on and incline, removed the radiator cap stuck a funnel in it with some coolant and ran the heat on the car on max for awhile, squeezed the hoses and kept filling the funnel minimally until no more bubbles came out, took like 30 mins, waited for both radiator hoses to get hot so i know the coolant circulated. i dont think just driving around gets rid of any of the air.


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