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Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 #4946194
12/07/18 07:33 PM
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Decided to try Idemitsu with Moly to compare to the regular ol' plain jane Idemitsu. Got this oil on sale from Amazon for like $25 shipped, I think.

Also decided to extend the interval a bit, to actually give the oil a challenge. An 800 mile trip right at the end helped rack up the miles over the course of two days. Haha.

The Oil Life showed 40% remaining using the "flexible" oil life setting, which calculates based on engine operations and conditions.

It's a silly comparison obviously, since most of the miles have been in cooler winter Florida temps, vs the 100F summer runs. The occasional 35F-40F (50-65F average) cold starts have been BRUTAL... on my hands while i grip the ice cold steering wheel and shifter. Hahaha. I don't know how you people live up north where its ACTUALLY COLD. Goodness gracious. I want my FL warmth back.

Code
OIL             Idemitsu 0w20 Synthetic      
MILES IN USE    5,495 miles          
MILES on unit   74,368  
SAMPLE TAKEN    11/18/2018
Make up Oil     0

Universal Average based on 6,000 miles

ALUMINUM        2              4 
CHROMIUM        0              0  
IRON            7              11 
COPPER          1              3
LEAD            0              0
TIN             0              0 
MOLYBDENUM      589             144   
NICKEL          0              0  
MANGANESE       0              0  
SILVER          0              0 
TITANIUM        0              2 
POTASSIUM       0              2 
BORON           195            81  
SILICON         9              12  
SODIUM          7              40
CALCIUM         2036           1804
MAGNESIUM       9              291
PHOSPHORUS      696            649
ZINC            764            740
BARIUM          1              0 
 
                            Values Should Be*
SUS VIS 210�F   49.8           46-57
cSt @ 212�F     7.20           6.0-9.7
FLASHPOINT �F   390            >385
Fuel %          <0.5           <2.0
Antifreeze      0.0             0.0
WATER           0.0            <0.1
INSOLUBLES      0.2            <0.6
TBN             4.9            >1.0
TAN             5.9


Mazda 3 - 11:18:18.jpg

2014 Mazda 3 Hatch 2.0L & 6spd - Idemitsu 0w20 Synthetic @ $0.75 a quart. (thanks Advance Auto Parts for the awesome deal)
Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: Artem] #4946249
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looks like the plain old idemitsu was better. you cant do much better than zero metals. flash point higher and TBN is higher.

Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: Artem] #4946260
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Is this the Zepro?


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Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: danez_yoda] #4946261
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Originally Posted by danez_yoda
looks like the plain old idemitsu was better. you cant do much better than zero metals. flash point higher and TBN is higher.






I wouldn't call it a fair comparison though. This current fill has 2,000 more miles on it then the regular Idemitsu before it. Its not an Apples to Apple comparison.

Plus like i said, this current sample has lots of Cold starts vs the previous sample which was all summer starts @ 100F


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Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: PimTac] #4946263
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Originally Posted by PimTac
Is this the Zepro?


Yes.


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Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: Artem] #4946303
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Moly is over hyped, basically no difference.

Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: HKPolice] #4946342
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I wouldn’t say that. Aluminum is 1-2ppm less even with 2,000 extra miles + cold starts.

I’ll try to pull the next sample at 3k for a fair comparison between previous samples. It HAS to be better... right?


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Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: HKPolice] #4946468
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Originally Posted by HKPolice
Moly is over hyped, basically no difference.


Agree and it MAY even lead to greater piston and ring deposits.


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Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: Artem] #4946522
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Is there actually any proof to this?

Mazda purposely uses Moly infused oil from the factory for these Skyactiv engines in ALL their models. I doubt they would be using it if there was a chance for extra deposits. Their goal is to eliminate engine deposits, especially on the intake valves.


2014 Mazda 3 Hatch 2.0L & 6spd - Idemitsu 0w20 Synthetic @ $0.75 a quart. (thanks Advance Auto Parts for the awesome deal)
Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: Artem] #4946524
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Great White North.. eh
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Great report, could run it longer.


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Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: alarmguy] #4946525
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Originally Posted by alarmguy
Originally Posted by HKPolice
Moly is over hyped, basically no difference.


Agree and it MAY even lead to greater piston and ring deposits.





The key word here is MAY. My guess is that owners who do not change their oil as specified and run well over the mileage limits suffer from buildup on the pistons and rings. This can happen with any oil but maybe moly accentuates the process.


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Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: Artem] #4946528
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Holy moly!


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17 Dodge GC, VWB 5w20, Fram DL11665
15 DL650, Rotella T6 5w40, KN-138
Small engines; RT5 10w30
Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: webfors] #4947834
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Originally Posted by webfors
Great report, could run it longer.



Oh I’m sure I can run the oil life down to 0% left and probably close to 9-10k miles but I’d rather not. This vehicle is MINT and is the Newest in my garage at the moment. I pamper it.

Maybe later down the road, once it’s retired to beater status, I’ll do some extended runs of say... 15-20k miles just for kicks and giggles because I won’t care about it much at that point.


2014 Mazda 3 Hatch 2.0L & 6spd - Idemitsu 0w20 Synthetic @ $0.75 a quart. (thanks Advance Auto Parts for the awesome deal)
Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: webfors] #4947836
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Originally Posted by webfors
Holy moly!



Now imagine if I dump a bottle of Moly on top of that... hmmmm.


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Re: Idemitsu 0w20 w/ MOLY - 5,495mi - 2014 Mazda 3 [Re: Artem] #4948045
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Originally Posted by Artem
Originally Posted by webfors
Holy moly!



Now imagine if I dump a bottle of Moly on top of that... hmmmm.






How much moly is optimal?


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