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Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Cujet] #4945912
12/07/18 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujet
Do an honest cost per mile assessment.

You may find that a well purchased, reliable, brand new car is no more that 3-5 cents per mile more than a used car.


Okay.. Let's carve that right down the middle and say 4 cents more/mile.

My daily driver has 266,000 miles on it. Going on your premise, above, that would equate to $10,640 extra spent.

Or, if we look at it another way, it was about $25,000 new. I paid $5,600 for it in 2014. That's nearly $20,000 less.


2010 Ford Fusion SE - 2.5 liter/6F35 Trans - 271,000mi
2014 Nissan Altima SL - 2.5 liter/CVT - 62,000mi
Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4947790
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Sort of depends on your situation, doesn’t it? If you live three miles from work in a city/suburban situation, you have a lot more ability to take a chance than a guy who lives in the country and drives a lot of miles.

Also depends on market conditions at the moment you buy. Right now, there are few scenarios where a used 2 wd sedan wouldn’t be better than new. For a new 4x4 (basic trim) pickup truck, you might be better off with new if you plan to keep it a few years.

Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: SirTanon] #4948285
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Originally Posted by SirTanon
Originally Posted by Cujet
Do an honest cost per mile assessment.

You may find that a well purchased, reliable, brand new car is no more that 3-5 cents per mile more than a used car.


Okay.. Let's carve that right down the middle and say 4 cents more/mile.

My daily driver has 266,000 miles on it. Going on your premise, above, that would equate to $10,640 extra spent.

Or, if we look at it another way, it was about $25,000 new. I paid $5,600 for it in 2014. That's nearly $20,000 less.


Can one spend $20,000 less for the same $25,000 car?

Really we can't categorize the low cost of a used (up) car in a valid cost per mile comparison.

So, let's go back to my original statement. A valid cost per mile assessment includes operational costs. Operational costs are known to be higher when purchasing a used vehicle. In fact, operational costs are minimized when purchased new, retained for a long time, and maintained very well.

Please understand, I'm not here to claim that purchasing a new car is the right option. I am saying that cost per mile really does not vary by as much as people tend to think (by class of vehicle) The IRS allows 55 and 1/2 cents per mile, not because they feel like letting us keep our money. But because that's pretty close to real world operational costs for an average car. It is nowhere near close for modern trucks, which can cost as much as 50 cents per mile in capital costs alone!

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Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: eljefino] #4948289
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Originally Posted by eljefino
A new car has 5000 parts that could inexplicably fail. A 12 year old mass market car has ten things that are likely to go, and have beefed up replacement aftermarket parts that are cheaper than OE. When it goes, mechanics are already familiar with the job, and the diy guy has YouTube videos to help.



Not if you purchase a Toyota Yaris smile


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Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Cujet] #4948305
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Originally Posted by Cujet
Originally Posted by eljefino
A new car has 5000 parts that could inexplicably fail. A 12 year old mass market car has ten things that are likely to go, and have beefed up replacement aftermarket parts that are cheaper than OE. When it goes, mechanics are already familiar with the job, and the diy guy has YouTube videos to help.



Not if you purchase a Toyota Yaris smile


Some people wouldn't be caught dead in a Yaris.


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Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4948585
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Things to keep in mind. Having owned more than a few cars that I bought new or with low mileage and took to 200K plus, you may not HAVE to do a lot of work to keep a vehicle on the road, but if you want to keep the car driving and riding and looking like new, a good amount of money will be spent over the years. At some point before 200K, you will need to at least start to replace bushings and tie rod ends and shocks and fans and maybe a repair or two. After some number of years, at least here in the south, your dashboard will crack or get sticky, your paint may fade, seats may tear. These all seem like minor things, but they add up. Right now I have one car and one truck that need their second new dashboard at almost $1K each (luckily, one of the originals was done under warranty) if I do the work. On the truck, the vinyl sides of the drivers seat is starting to crack.

The cost to maintain is still less than a new car, but I have not had any actual mechanical failures aside from a fan clutch and a couple of sensors, but the maintenance costs add up. A driveshaft here, bushings there, at some point the A/C might quit, or the transmission - at which point, the gamble has not paid off.


'06 Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT - 170k
Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4948675
12/10/18 11:20 PM
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Makes me wonder if I should stock up car parts for my older cars. I am worried the parts won’t be available from the OEM for much longer. New cars are so insanely complex with electronics, I just don’t see them hanging around for 20 years like older cars did/do.

Repairs certainly “feel” more expensive than a newer car upfront cost, plus the feeling of sinking money into a car that’s worth so little is hard to accept.

Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4949196
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Depends on how much time you want to spend on "saving money".

Unless you buy a car that has been around for a while (i.e. only refreshed, and not the redesign year with new power train), with known history (i.e. fleet or CPO), and extended warranty, nothing is guaranteed. You can take an educated guess on how it will turn out, and usually be right.

For me I'd just get a lightly used still in warranty car or a new one if I don't have the time to deal with anything more than simple stuff (oil change, plugs, coolant, etc) for my main ride. I'd just want a boring cheap ride and spend my time elsewhere. Hyundai Elantra sounds pretty good to me with their 10 year warranty.


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Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4975181
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What will make a huge difference is how much of the upkeep and repairs you can do on your own.

I bought a 2002 model Ford a few months ago for $2300. 96k miles. Real clean. I've since flushed nasty coolant, unstopped a heater core full of mud, replaced an oil pan gasket that required dropping y-pipe, replaced cam synchronizer and oil pressure sender. Mechanic wise all this probably would have been close to another $1000 but I'm into it for about $200 in parts so far. Definitely not worth $1000 in repairs but definitely worth $200. Problem is I'm almost gunshy with the thing, wondering what's going to tear up next.

Also, a great example of unexpected expense: the car infamously pings on anything other than 93 octane so add in the added cost of 93 over 87 in another vehicle. IThere's no obvious reason for it so I'm not willing to waste any money on it by throwing parts at it.

I believe one of the best things you can do when looking at a used car of any kind is finding a couple forums for that vehicle and reading about common issues. You'll find out Tauruses ping, CVT's fail, Chevy lifters tap, etc... smile

Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4976042
01/11/19 01:01 PM
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I think a lot of this depends on if you can DIY any repairs needed . As I get older , I am less able to do that .

Also , remember , the drive train is not the only thing to consider . Cars now a days contain a LOT of plastic and rubber parts . The rubber and plastic go down hill with age . No matter the miles .

June 2017 we purchased a 2006 Buick Lacrosse 3.8l with ~ 37,000 miles . Looked great , clearly garage kept . Little old lady car , but in this case car fax verified it . Good tires , brakes , heat / A/C , etc .

Told my wife , even if it did not turn out as hoped , we only had $ 6250 out the door , invested in it .

First thing , replaced the infamous plastic coolant elbows with metal ones , heater hoses , radiator hoses , tstat , belt ,filters . Turkey baster the PS & brake fluid . Suctioned 4 quarts of Dexron 6 out of it and put 4 quarts of synthetic Dexron 6 back in ( existing fluid looked good ) .

Dealer have changed the oil / filter with dino oil ( does not call for DEXOS ) .

Drained out 1 gallon of Dexcool when I had the lower radiator hose off , and replaced with a gallon of new Dexcool .

So , far , we have been very pleased with the car .

Use the online services such as carguru.com to find a good , older car . The Buick was cheap enough , we paid cash , no interest cost .

Best of luck to you .


Wyr
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Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4984935
01/19/19 10:19 PM
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I'll give two examples of vehicles that don't make any sense to buy but served my family well.

2008 I bought a 2000 Dodge Durango 2WD with 172K miles and a blown 318 motor for $1700 from a seller in Oklahoma on eBay. Had a 120K mile used engine installed for about $900. Drove the truck four years and to well over 230K miles before selling it with a bad steering rack for $1300. We also replaced the electric fan and the clutch fan under the hood after two years and if I hadn't caught them in time they would've cooked the engine. Solid truck. 17-19mpg mixed. Can't find them anymore except rusted out up here in Ohio though. Worst thing about that truck is it was a repo and there was a stupid starter interlock on it that you had to leave plugged in for a GPS signal. If you unplugged it the truck wouldn't start and you'd have to call them and get a code to enter to start it. Even after the company went out of business they still answered the phone (maybe they got bought by another company I don't know). But they refused to remove the interlock even after I offered them $400 to do so. Why did I want this interlock removed? Because it beeped CONSTANTLY. Every 5-6 seconds a little chirp. Every 5-6 seconds on or off, day or night. I'm so glad the steering rack failed because I still hear that horrible chirp even today, ringing in my ears. But the truck was a great deal.

2011 right before and probably the ultimate reason for selling the Durango, my wife and I bought a 2000 Chevy Suburban with 171K miles on eBay for $3000. We knew it had a bad transmission but other examples at the time were in the $6000-$8000 range and might ALSO need a transmission. We drove it 3,000 miles, the transmission finally puked all the fluid out, and we had a GM dealer install a new unit for about $2800. We kept that truck to well over 260,000 miles and four years and got 15-17mpg the whole time. Loved it, but the transmission finally failed just outside the 3 year 100K warranty, at almost 4 years and 80K miles. They wanted another $2800 to do another transmission so we passed. Drove it for another 10,000 miles and six more months in the "2" position. 35-40mph, city speeds, 10mpg. Sold for $750. So this one we took more of a loss but still, it was a great truck. I did insist on full servicing all the time while we had it. Had the brake fluid flushed. Power steering flush. New U-joints. Rear axle oil drain and fill. Transmission cooler and lines done with the transmission. Fuel pump changed when it started whining before it failed. A/C serviced every year. Michelin tires. The truck was definitely awesome and if it was newer I'd have kept it longer but if I can't Uber with it, forget about it.

I'd absolutely do that again. Buy a 8-10 year old truck needing a motor or a transmission but is nice otherwise. Get the major repair done. Drive it for a few years and then decide to keep or sell when the next major component fails.


Alan Moore - Columbus, OH
17 Corolla LE, bought new 7/7/17, now 97K miles
Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4985221
01/20/19 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Kurtatron
When I bought my used vehicle, I got it near 200k miles and with faded paint. The price was $2700. Years later I saw the same vehicle with 70k miles and with clean paint. But the price was $8000. Fast forward, I sank $3500 into the 200k vehicle I purchased due prior owner negligence. That 3.5k bought a low miles engine that has been running fine for nearly 2 years now. Other tidbits were replaced also, like engine mounts, water pump, etc.

What do you guys think is a better option? From 2 perspectives, financial and preference. Is it better to take a cheaper worn out car and use the extra money to budget repairs or spend the extra on a lower mile example? Financially, what’s better? Finances aside, which would you take?


Back when I was 2 miles from work...junker with known issues. Now that I commute about 70 round trip... Something a little "more reliable". In general, vehicles are a huge money pit. They do not appreciate (outside of some rare collector car). I'm always astonished at the $50k+ pickups and SUVs and sports cars with overpriced tires and aftermarket rims, exhaust, tinting, etc. What a shallow use of money to impress your friends. Short term goal oriented feelings. You might go 0-60 faster than my Corolla, but I'll be retired on a beach 20 years before you.

Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: occupant] #4985421
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Originally Posted by occupant
Buy a 8-10 year old truck needing a motor or a transmission but is nice otherwise. Get the major repair done. Drive it for a few years and then decide to keep or sell when the next major component fails.

I've thought about that but people here ragged on me for it. shrug

I've contemplated flipping my expensive truck for something cheaper, but haven't been able to fully convince myself into it just yet. The appeal of having a couple of old cars to get around in is rather appealing, cheapest insurance and no worries about door dings.


2011 Toyota Camry, base, 2.5L/6MT, 179k, hers
2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 147k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 203k, his
Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4989850
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200k cars are worn out mattresses. You can sleep on them but not the best nights sleep. Suspension repairs get pricey on older cars.

Lower mileage.

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Re: Used car purchasing: repairs vs mileage [Re: Kurtatron] #4990498
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self mechanic + used car saves a lot of money. i look for single owners with clean carfax and service records, i self inspect for problems and body damage. my only experience has been with hondas and toyotas. i prefer toyotas now. maybe lexus one day. i tend to go with reliable used cars. i had a civic, celica, matrix, rav4, now venza. you can tell which car i got when babies came. next car will probably be a used highlander or sienna.


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