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Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions #4937073
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I have search every forum to find which is better for cleaning up engine sludge? I think Rislone has 20wt oil viscosity and contain additive like calcium magnesium and zinc and 11%tmp ester and marvel mystery oil is 5wt do not know ingredients. Which is better ?

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I believe rislone is the better cleaner due to the ester content.

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Does it have to be only one or the other? Are these two options at Walmart? My guess is Rislone but have you tried a better oil/filter combo instead first?


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I am asking if Rislone engine treatment or marvel mystery oil which is good. Both are available in Walmart and major Auto stores. I have tried pennnzoil platinum 0w20 and Mobil 1 0w20 high mileage wix or Mobil 1 oil filter for more than 2 years or 20k miles but my engine is making engine tick when accerating hard around 3 k rmps . I suspect I have piston rings sticking or engine lifters so I think so used mmo or Rislone engine treatment which will help clean engine and hopefully it will help my engine?

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Both have been around forever. Rislone seems quicker and will loosen sticky noisy lifters where MMO is better at loosening stuck rings if its poured into cylinders and let set. It`s also a good top oil. I use top oil in aircooled engines which reduces the metalic effect in drain oil


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Rislone fan here. I have had several engines with noisy lifters and coked rings. I have used Rislone engine treatment in both cases and had good results with one treatment. Especially dirty engines will require more than one treatment.

Also, have a look at the MSDS sheet for MMO. Not much exciting going on there.


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Originally Posted by BMWR1150GS

Also, have a look at the MSDS sheet for MMO. Not much exciting going on there.


The MSDS tells you nothing.

The recipe is in the archives here.... it has phosphorus based anti-wear (AW) compounds in it.


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Out of curiosity I went to Walmart.com and found Synthetic Rislone. It has Tungsten, Moly, and Esters. It's on rollback for $11.04 with a five dollar rebate. Not bad. I have no experience with this. First time I've seen this ester version. I doubt u need it with a quality synthetic oil, but every application is different.

This is for engine protection, not cleaning though! See post below.

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Several years ago, Dave at Redline recommended people with sludge/dirty engines to run Penn Ultra a couple times before using Redline. The group V esters in Redline are great cleaners. I would run Ultra for a couple short oil intervals. Kreen is also great, but you don't want to remove too much sludge.at one time. Kreen is awesome!

I would get Kreen with a quality synthetic oil. Do you have any pics? We love before and after.

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I am using high mileage oil for more than 100k. I am thinking if I go to no high mileage oil my can can leak oil so I don’t want to go to non high mileage oil like pennnzoil platinum ultra or any other non high mileage oil.kreen is very hard to find so I am looking for for easy to find but not damaging the engine like mmo or Rislone engine treatment etc?

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Originally Posted by Toh1
my engine is making engine tick when accerating hard around 3 k rmps . I suspect I have piston rings sticking or engine lifters


Are you sure this isn't detonation? Lifters are generally noisy on startup, NOT acceleration when oil pressure is high and rising. Piston rings won't make a ticking noise either. I say start with a fuel system cleaner that also cleans the combustion chamber- preferably one with PEA like Techron or Gumout AIO. Those are also available at Walmart and seems much more logical than an oil-based problem for what you are describing. It would also explain why your use of PP did not help anything. JMHO

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Oh sorry when I started my car in the morning I have lifters noise. I am not sure if it detonation but never have check engine light come on. I just changed my oil yesterday so when oil is new it did not tick or lifters noise do you know what it can be ? I am using Techron or gumout complete fuel system cleaner from last 2 year every oil change.

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Maybe take a video of the sound, both with the hood open on a cold start, and one underway. Some detonation shouldn't thow a CEL, depending on your vehicle.

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How many miles, type of engine and current weight of oil?

Seems like an oil pressure issue.


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Kreen. Auto-Rx. Don't limit yourself to Walmart shelf.

I am not sure a stuck ring makes any noise like a tick. But lifter certainly will.

You cannot fix everything with a pill. Maybe its time to diagnosis more. Check all the lifters, remove and soak or replace the one that is making the noise.


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I'm using Rislone now, but only as a flush in the last 500-800 miles of an OCI in a car I recently picked up. I also will put MMO in it but only in the gas tank since I have have a couple of bottles to use up and see if it makes any difference in mileage, I wouldn't use it in the crankcase of anything since it has nothing discernible in relation to motor oil whereas Rislone does. I'm generally not a fan of adding things to motor oils that already have extensive add packs designed as synergistic agents. But I have used Rislone to quiet sticky lifters in the past and it is darkening the oil in my crankcase as a flush but wouldn't ever add it for an OCI as directed....

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the oils you have used are good, so it must be pretty clean at this point. What engine is this?


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Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.

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Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.


There are much better choices than ATF for a quick flush. In fact ATF will do little to nothing as a quick flush.


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Yes, we need more informtion to help with a possible diagnosis. So far with the symptoms given it sounds like a lifter. however. the noise at 3000 rpm if it is said lifter would indicate a worn plunger in the lifter.


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Originally Posted by Dinoburner
Yes, we need more informtion to help with a possible diagnosis. So far with the symptoms given it sounds like a lifter. however. the noise at 3000 rpm if it is said lifter would indicate a worn plunger in the lifter.

In which case repair would be in order. No additive will work.


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Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.


How does using hydraulic fluid with little in the way of detergents help anything?

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Did it helps if I used Rislone engine treatment 32oz without damaging or hurting engine seals? Or just change oil at 5k will be better ?

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Originally Posted by Toh1
Did it helps if I used Rislone engine treatment 32oz without damaging or hurting engine seals? Or just change oil at 5k will be better ?


From what I've gathered, Rislone will not hurt seals and may actually have esters that would benefit them. My use of Rislone is likely a one-off and as I said I would never use it every oil change, just as a flush in a new-to-me used car. If you feel you have issues with sludge and deposits, by all means use it on one OCI, then change the oil with 5K OCI's after...

Some motor oil co.make cleaning claims, Pennzoil YP, Mobil 1 are the main ones....

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Currently I am using pennnzoil platinum high mileage 0w20 and Mobil 1 0w20 high mileage.

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Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.


How does using hydraulic fluid with little in the way of detergents help anything?

I'm not a mechanic or chemical engineer so it's beyond my knowledge. My neighbor is a long time Saab mechanic I have seen him do this for years. He buys, sells, owns and has the same customers come back time again for him to service repair and buy more vehicles from him. The cars he sells run like a clock for many years. ATF fluid has a lot of seal conditioners anti rust and corrosion inhibitors detergents and dispersants. Look it up.

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Rislone (non-concentrate) in the 16-32oz bottle works better and faster than the bottle that states it's a concentrate.

Nice to read that you obtained 300K with it. Just be patient with the results and Rislone non-concentrate definitely will help with engine noise. Use the maximum amount of Rislone for two entire OCIs..... including mixing more Rislone @25%, when topping-off with needed oil.

Also, use the OEM Honda oil filter for the next two OCIs. It's built for your engine. Aftermarkets have different settings and your "particular" Honda may desire OEM oil filters. Stranger things have happened, when troubleshooting engine ticks. A different oil filter may help with improved flow.

If Honda not suitable for you, three other top-shelf oil filter choices are Wix XP, NAPA Platinum and K&N Gold. Doesn't sound like you have a dirty engine. Get that oil moving around at top-flow for a couple OCIs and see if added pressure-flow help unstick and remove a little burnt crud.


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Thank you so much I will try that. And update the it it helps

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Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.


How does using hydraulic fluid with little in the way of detergents help anything?

I'm not a mechanic or chemical engineer so it's beyond my knowledge. My neighbor is a long time Saab mechanic I have seen him do this for years. He buys, sells, owns and has the same customers come back time again for him to service repair and buy more vehicles from him. The cars he sells run like a clock for many years. ATF fluid has a lot of seal conditioners anti rust and corrosion inhibitors detergents and dispersants. Look it up.


From an actual oil formulator and member of this board:

Originally Posted by Molakule

I posted this in another thread but this may be of interest to the whole board. I have made some minor additions to it.


The main requirements of an ATF are thermal stability and friction modification (lubrication), with some anti-wear additive for the Sun, lock-up, and Planetary Gears, and of course, the needle/pin bearings. Add about 0.05% of anti-foamants (siloxanes) and some red dye for leak identification, and you have an special Hydraulic Oil called, 'ATF.' The formulator will tweak the additive package for each base oil type (group) or mixes of base oils.


Here is the chemistry for an ATF such as Dexron III:
(Average additive concentration by wt.% taken from seven (7) different additive packages)

Phosphorous - 0.3% AW additive
Zinc - 0.23% AW additive, anti-oxidant as ZDDP
Nitrogen - 0.9% AW additive
Boron - 0.16% Detergent and AW additive
Calcium - 0.05% Detergent/Dispersant, tbn base chemistry
Magnesium - 0.05% Detergent and base chemistry
Sulfur - 0.55% FM and AW
Barium - various% used as particlate control

In the newer ATF oils of Group II-III, added esters of lineoleic esters, TMP polyol ester, and PE polyol ester, and other carboxylic esters, act as FM additives. The Additives phosphorous, sulfur, and boron are usually added in the form of esters when formulated with the base oil. For fully synthetic oils, the PAO and polyol ester bases are the main Friction Modifiers.

The Mercon chemistries usually have higher concentrations of nitrogen and phosphorous.

Boron and Phosphorous act as the main AW additives if the ZDDP is low or non-existent.

Calcium and magnesium are, of course, base metals and provide the "basicity" to keep acids in check and provide the starting tbn.

It has been found that ZDDP will turn the red-dyed ATF brown through oxidation, so some formulators have reduced or taken out the ZDDP and replaced it with other AW additives.


To which the same legend is queried by another member:
Originally Posted by nick778

So what is it in ATF that provides the 'super cleaning' when they add it as an engine flush? I'm not advocating anyone do this but given that some do (ie, the post under the atf section), what detergent or ester chemistry is producing these stories of great egine flush cleaning properties. I do not see detergents in any greater concentrations that regualr motor oil.


And the response:
Originally Posted by Molakule

Old wive's tales from long, long ago. Actually a few less detergents than engine oils.

Compare this against Delo and the Delvac's.


And then some further explanation:
Originally Posted by Molakule

It is not a matter of additive package, but of viscosity as to the source of this old wive's tale about ATF being a flush.


ATF is 0W20 to 5W20 and thins out the engine oil. Take a thick 10W40 of 'yore,' and add some ATF and the result is a thinner oil that might act as a mild wash.

The Auto tranny sees no combustion gasses, no silicons (unless the dipstick become unseated), so the tranny case is essentially sealed.

The main requirements of an ATF are thermal stability and friction modification (lubrication), with some anti-wear additive for the Sun, lock-up, and Planetary Gears, and of course, the needle/pin bearings. Add about 0.01% of anti-foamants (siloxanes) and some red dye for leak identification, and you have an ATF.

So, using an ATF in an engine is a waste of money and causes the engine's lubricating fluid film to reduce in thickness.


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Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.



Modern ATF will do nada for cleaning.


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Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.



Modern ATF will do nada for cleaning.



+1 We've been over this before, it does not clean, and dilutes the quality of the motor oil.


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I agree I will not put atf of any kind in engine of any car

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I thought ATF, particularly Dex/Merc IV, is loaded with dispersants?


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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: RDY4WAR] #4942531
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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
I thought ATF, particularly Dex/Merc IV, is loaded with dispersants?

It has dispersants but a dispersant is only useful to prevent deposition. Here you're trying to clean something.

Someone else who knows details will no doubt chime in but I don't think any ATF would be "loaded" with dispersants either. Why would it be? What would you have to disperse?


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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: kschachn] #4948829
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ATF's are nothing more than glorified Hydraulic fluids .

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I poured Rislone into my Cobalt a while back, and it seemed very thin and hardly a SAE20 carrier oil. Has anyone else noticed this?

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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
I thought ATF, particularly Dex/Merc IV, is loaded with dispersants?


A dispersant is there in ATF but in very low treatment levels since there are no combustion carbon deposits to disperse.

BTW, todays ATF's average as follows as chemistry has changed since that previous post:

Phosphorous - 0.3% AW additive
Zinc - 0.015% secondary anti-oxidant as ZDDP
Nitrogen - 0.9% Mostly anti-oxidants and Friction Modification chemistry
Boron - 0.16% AW additive
Calcium - 0.1% Detergent, tbn base chemistry, and rust inhibitor
Magnesium - < 0.005% if any
Sulfur - < = 0.33% AW
Barium - Not Used anymore
Dye - 100 to 250 ppm any color these days but usually red analine dye
Dispersant - Ashless succinimide dispersant (succinic ester-amide dispersant, phosphorylated and borated) ~ 300 ppm which is 1/10 that found in engine oils)


So as you can see, both detergent and dispersant levels are very low.

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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: MolaKule] #4955484
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Here is a very simple test you can do. Next time you are working on the car and your hands are a mess get some clean transmission fluid and try to clean them. Then take off all the dirt that is left using clean engine oil. You will discover that clean engine oil makes a decent hand cleaner.

Just an easy simple test to confirm for yourself that ATF is not a good cleaner.

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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Toh1] #4955812
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Even dirty oil can clean hands...

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The Rislone for the additives chemistry and esters.
The Rislone (again) because Marvel is chlorocarbons


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Originally Posted by MolaKule

Nitrogen - 0.9% Mostly anti-oxidants and Friction Modification chemistry
Boron - 0.16% AW additive
Calcium - 0.1% Detergent, tbn base chemistry, and rust inhibitor
Magnesium - < 0.005% if any
Sulfur - < = 0.33% AW
Barium - Not Used anymore
Dye - 100 to 250 ppm any color these days but usually red analine dye
Dispersant - Ashless succinimide dispersant (succinic ester-amide dispersant, phosphorylated and borated) ~ 300 ppm which is 1/10 that found in engine oils)


So as you can see, both detergent and dispersant levels are very low.



Is the nitrogen the amines? Is that what give ATF that sharp stink?


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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Toh1] #4967209
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I'm going to guess maybe the sulfur?

Maybe the same thing that makes manual transmission fluid and a lot of gear oils smell like straight cat urine.


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Rislone is designed to be used over many oil change intervals, never used MMO so I don't know about it. Depending on sludge severity get el cheapo oil and sub 1 qt of oil with 1 qt of trans fluid, and drain after a few hundred miles and add your preferred oil.


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Originally Posted by Hemispheres
Rislone is designed to be used over many oil change intervals, never used MMO so I don't know about it. Depending on sludge severity get el cheapo oil and sub 1 qt of oil with 1 qt of trans fluid, and drain after a few hundred miles and add your preferred oil.

That's a great idea considering that ATF has high detergency.

Oh wait, it doesn't. So why would I want to dilute the oil like that?


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It's the combination of sulfur, phosphorus, and the Amines that give ATF that "distintive" smell. laugh


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I highly suggest AutoRX. It has extended every transmission I’ve used it on (well, except for one but that is because I used it too late and completely lost 2nd gear before using it). And amazes me every time I have used it in the engine.

I am a rural mail carrier and buy used Caravans and T&C vans, between 2001 and 2004 because they are easy to find and cheap.... and they do not have a console so I can easily sit in the middle. And they cost me less to operate than the $50k right hand drive jeeps that others have, which they trade in every 3-4 years before they are even paid off because of loud knocks, clicking valves and constant trips to the mechanic.... everything on those jeeps break quicker than on my 15 year old vans that have regular suspensions and no extra cooling.

The typical van I buy has around 100-120k miles. I should run AutoRX before driving them but due to time and 5 other irons in the fire that always have going I don’t think about it until the transmission starts slipping. Which is usually around the 130k mark.

AutoRX has made 6 out of 7 of these vans shift like new again. The oldest van I ever bought was a 98 and it slipped for weeks before I made my AutoRX order. The day before I received my order it lost everything but 1st and reverse. I tried it anyway but knew it was a waste of time at that point.

When I use it in the oil, the filter feels like a lead weight when I remove it. The very first time I used it in the oil I went a bit longer on the oil change than what is recommended because I took it on 9hr drive one way to visit family. I figured a little extra highway driving would let the cleaner work better. Well the oil light came on, I pulled over and oil was EVERYWHERE under the van. I figured I ruined the engine and told myself I should not have believed the hype of this AutoRX. It was at night and we had an hour to get home. I put in a quart of oil and checked it a few times during that last hour and had to keep putting oil in. The next day when I could see what was going on I discovered that oil was blowing past the oil sensor because the filter was 100% clogged with sludge. I put in a new oil sensor, changed the oil and filter and drove the van for another 150k miles or so... I don’t remember exactly where it was at but it had 310k when I sold it.

The engines are quieter. I don’t notice a change in oil consumption if there was any use between changes before. If it used it before it still used it afterwards. It doesn’t fix leaks or claim to be a mechanic in a bottle. It just is the best maintenance you can do on an auto trans and engine.

You can also use it in the power steering as well though I haven’t done that before. Every van I buy usually has a whine that is fixed with a reservoir replacement (built in filter gets clogged and also there was a redesign of the reservoir for those years), and I replace most of the PS fluid at that time.

I get on average right at 300k miles on each one which many think is not possible on those transmissions. I only do one treatment in the trans and oil per van and get at least 150k or more miles out of it. Other things start breaking or wearing out or I just know I need to find another one to start over with since rural delivery on bumpy dirt roads (some paved) is really hard on a vehicle and extremely hard on a trans with 400+ starting and stopping a day.

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I've been doing some research on that auto Rx stuff. It appears to be a solid product when it comes to cleaning engines and transmissions. It goes by a new name these days and its kinda pricey and only available on their website. Using better oil seems to be the consensus around these parts either m1 or amsoil. Pennzoil platinum also has a fallowing.

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Originally Posted by rastoma
I highly suggest AutoRX. It has extended every transmission I’ve used it on (well, except for one but that is because I used it too late and completely lost 2nd gear before using it). And amazes me every time I have used it in the engine...



I would NOT use AutoRX in an Automatic Transmission, whether it be a Step-Shift or a CVT.

Anything other than the specified ATF can cause shifting problems down the road because any OTC additive may modify the Dynamic Coefficient of Friction.

As an engine and Gear train cleaner (as in MTF or Differential), it may have some efficacy.


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