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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Toh1] #4937446
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I'm using Rislone now, but only as a flush in the last 500-800 miles of an OCI in a car I recently picked up. I also will put MMO in it but only in the gas tank since I have have a couple of bottles to use up and see if it makes any difference in mileage, I wouldn't use it in the crankcase of anything since it has nothing discernible in relation to motor oil whereas Rislone does. I'm generally not a fan of adding things to motor oils that already have extensive add packs designed as synergistic agents. But I have used Rislone to quiet sticky lifters in the past and it is darkening the oil in my crankcase as a flush but wouldn't ever add it for an OCI as directed....

Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Toh1] #4937621
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the oils you have used are good, so it must be pretty clean at this point. What engine is this?


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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Toh1] #4937650
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Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.

Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Oildudeny] #4937814
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Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.


There are much better choices than ATF for a quick flush. In fact ATF will do little to nothing as a quick flush.


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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #4938157
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SOHC i-VTEC® Honda Pilot 2007 ex and using pennnzoil platinum high mileage 0w20 right now and has 300k .

Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Toh1] #4938251
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Yes, we need more informtion to help with a possible diagnosis. So far with the symptoms given it sounds like a lifter. however. the noise at 3000 rpm if it is said lifter would indicate a worn plunger in the lifter.


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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Dinoburner] #4938462
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Originally Posted by Dinoburner
Yes, we need more informtion to help with a possible diagnosis. So far with the symptoms given it sounds like a lifter. however. the noise at 3000 rpm if it is said lifter would indicate a worn plunger in the lifter.

In which case repair would be in order. No additive will work.


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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Oildudeny] #4938534
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Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.


How does using hydraulic fluid with little in the way of detergents help anything?

Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Toh1] #4938944
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Did it helps if I used Rislone engine treatment 32oz without damaging or hurting engine seals? Or just change oil at 5k will be better ?

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Originally Posted by Toh1
Did it helps if I used Rislone engine treatment 32oz without damaging or hurting engine seals? Or just change oil at 5k will be better ?


From what I've gathered, Rislone will not hurt seals and may actually have esters that would benefit them. My use of Rislone is likely a one-off and as I said I would never use it every oil change, just as a flush in a new-to-me used car. If you feel you have issues with sludge and deposits, by all means use it on one OCI, then change the oil with 5K OCI's after...

Some motor oil co.make cleaning claims, Pennzoil YP, Mobil 1 are the main ones....

Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Nickdfresh] #4939537
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Currently I am using pennnzoil platinum high mileage 0w20 and Mobil 1 0w20 high mileage.

Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Nickdfresh] #4940412
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Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.


How does using hydraulic fluid with little in the way of detergents help anything?

I'm not a mechanic or chemical engineer so it's beyond my knowledge. My neighbor is a long time Saab mechanic I have seen him do this for years. He buys, sells, owns and has the same customers come back time again for him to service repair and buy more vehicles from him. The cars he sells run like a clock for many years. ATF fluid has a lot of seal conditioners anti rust and corrosion inhibitors detergents and dispersants. Look it up.

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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Toh1] #4940416
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Rislone (non-concentrate) in the 16-32oz bottle works better and faster than the bottle that states it's a concentrate.

Nice to read that you obtained 300K with it. Just be patient with the results and Rislone non-concentrate definitely will help with engine noise. Use the maximum amount of Rislone for two entire OCIs..... including mixing more Rislone @25%, when topping-off with needed oil.

Also, use the OEM Honda oil filter for the next two OCIs. It's built for your engine. Aftermarkets have different settings and your "particular" Honda may desire OEM oil filters. Stranger things have happened, when troubleshooting engine ticks. A different oil filter may help with improved flow.

If Honda not suitable for you, three other top-shelf oil filter choices are Wix XP, NAPA Platinum and K&N Gold. Doesn't sound like you have a dirty engine. Get that oil moving around at top-flow for a couple OCIs and see if added pressure-flow help unstick and remove a little burnt crud.


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Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Triple_Se7en] #4940971
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Thank you so much I will try that. And update the it it helps

Re: Marvel mystery oil vs Rislone engine treatment opinions [Re: Oildudeny] #4941395
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Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Originally Posted by Oildudeny
Neighbor mechanic buddy would run dino in specified grade a quart short and a quart of atf for the make up. Get the engine warm and dump.


How does using hydraulic fluid with little in the way of detergents help anything?

I'm not a mechanic or chemical engineer so it's beyond my knowledge. My neighbor is a long time Saab mechanic I have seen him do this for years. He buys, sells, owns and has the same customers come back time again for him to service repair and buy more vehicles from him. The cars he sells run like a clock for many years. ATF fluid has a lot of seal conditioners anti rust and corrosion inhibitors detergents and dispersants. Look it up.


From an actual oil formulator and member of this board:

Originally Posted by Molakule

I posted this in another thread but this may be of interest to the whole board. I have made some minor additions to it.


The main requirements of an ATF are thermal stability and friction modification (lubrication), with some anti-wear additive for the Sun, lock-up, and Planetary Gears, and of course, the needle/pin bearings. Add about 0.05% of anti-foamants (siloxanes) and some red dye for leak identification, and you have an special Hydraulic Oil called, 'ATF.' The formulator will tweak the additive package for each base oil type (group) or mixes of base oils.


Here is the chemistry for an ATF such as Dexron III:
(Average additive concentration by wt.% taken from seven (7) different additive packages)

Phosphorous - 0.3% AW additive
Zinc - 0.23% AW additive, anti-oxidant as ZDDP
Nitrogen - 0.9% AW additive
Boron - 0.16% Detergent and AW additive
Calcium - 0.05% Detergent/Dispersant, tbn base chemistry
Magnesium - 0.05% Detergent and base chemistry
Sulfur - 0.55% FM and AW
Barium - various% used as particlate control

In the newer ATF oils of Group II-III, added esters of lineoleic esters, TMP polyol ester, and PE polyol ester, and other carboxylic esters, act as FM additives. The Additives phosphorous, sulfur, and boron are usually added in the form of esters when formulated with the base oil. For fully synthetic oils, the PAO and polyol ester bases are the main Friction Modifiers.

The Mercon chemistries usually have higher concentrations of nitrogen and phosphorous.

Boron and Phosphorous act as the main AW additives if the ZDDP is low or non-existent.

Calcium and magnesium are, of course, base metals and provide the "basicity" to keep acids in check and provide the starting tbn.

It has been found that ZDDP will turn the red-dyed ATF brown through oxidation, so some formulators have reduced or taken out the ZDDP and replaced it with other AW additives.


To which the same legend is queried by another member:
Originally Posted by nick778

So what is it in ATF that provides the 'super cleaning' when they add it as an engine flush? I'm not advocating anyone do this but given that some do (ie, the post under the atf section), what detergent or ester chemistry is producing these stories of great egine flush cleaning properties. I do not see detergents in any greater concentrations that regualr motor oil.


And the response:
Originally Posted by Molakule

Old wive's tales from long, long ago. Actually a few less detergents than engine oils.

Compare this against Delo and the Delvac's.


And then some further explanation:
Originally Posted by Molakule

It is not a matter of additive package, but of viscosity as to the source of this old wive's tale about ATF being a flush.


ATF is 0W20 to 5W20 and thins out the engine oil. Take a thick 10W40 of 'yore,' and add some ATF and the result is a thinner oil that might act as a mild wash.

The Auto tranny sees no combustion gasses, no silicons (unless the dipstick become unseated), so the tranny case is essentially sealed.

The main requirements of an ATF are thermal stability and friction modification (lubrication), with some anti-wear additive for the Sun, lock-up, and Planetary Gears, and of course, the needle/pin bearings. Add about 0.01% of anti-foamants (siloxanes) and some red dye for leak identification, and you have an ATF.

So, using an ATF in an engine is a waste of money and causes the engine's lubricating fluid film to reduce in thickness.


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