2011 BMW 335xi 7181mi Edge 0w-40

[89Rustang]

Nothing major here other than fuel, which I don't think is an issue. Sample was taken when engine was hot. I think i will stick with 7k-7.5k intervals. Mostly posting for other member reference.

Link to previous UOA: HERE

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Comment: This turned out to be another great report for your BMW. Our only complaint is the mild fuel

dilution. The key word there is "mild" because it's only a trace of fuel -- this amount is usually from sampling

without the engine being fully warm. It's all good news otherwise, as the viscosity was still a 0W/40 and

wear metals are in excellent shape. If you're wondering why titanium started showing up in 2017, it's just oil

additive not new engine wear. The oil was free of harmful contamination, while the TBN was fine. A

~9,000-mile run would be a piece of cake.



MAKE/MODEL: BMW 3.0L (N55) I-6 Turbo



OIL Edge 0w-40 Edge 0w-40 M1 0w-40 M1 0w-40 BMW 5w30 M1 0w-40 BMW 5w30

MILES IN USE 7181 7323 6111 6000 7630 5520 5150

MILES 76898 69717 62394 56283 50284 40660 35140

SAMPLE TAKEN 9/29/2018 9/12/2017 7/9/2016 10/12/2015 3/31/2015 5/1/2014 11/16/2013



ALUMINUM 5 7 5 8 19 6 8

CHROMIUM 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

IRON 33 37 27 30 50 24 21

COPPER 5 5 3 4 6 3 3

LEAD 0 0 0 0 0 0 1

TIN 1 1 1 2 0 0 3

MOLYBDENUM 3 12 80 102 151 104 140

NICKEL 0 1 0 1 1 1 0

MANGANESE 2 1 1 2 3 1 1

SILVER 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

TITANIUM 45 40 0 0 0 0 0

POTASSIUM 7 7 6 16 14 2 2

BORON 35 34 135 136 75 151 61

SILICON 4 5 4 4 6 4 3

SODIUM 5 6 5 7 9 3 6

CALCIUM 2154 1885 2865 3068 2397 3239 2321

MAGNESIUM 84 396 19 21 18 19 17

PHOSPHORUS 839 857 901 898 935 989 850

ZINC 977 996 1054 1150 1112 1176 976

BARIUM 0 0 0 0 0 0 0



SUS VIS 210F 65.0 69.2 70.2 63.2 68.5 64.4

cSt @ 100CF 11.61 12.59 12.75 13.01 11.12 12.56 11.44

FLASHPOINT F 385 410 400 390 395 415 420

Fuel TR
Antifreeze 0.0 0.0 0 ? 0 0 0

WATER 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0

INSOLUBLES 0.2 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.2 0.4

TBN 2.8 3.8 4.2 5.6 3.7 5.6 5.3

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Thanks for the contribution. It's not often I see someone who's willing to invest this type of $$ in UOA's.

 

[zeng]

Look at residual TBN, it could have gone beyond 7.5k, IMO.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted by zeng
Look at residual TBN, it could have gone beyond 7.5k, IMO.


True but keep in mind the factory OCI for his vehicle is ~15k miles. 7.5k is therefore in the middle.

 

[buster]

Nice results. Fe and viscosity was better with the Mobil 1 0w40 if you want to pick nits although slight more miles on the Edge. Stick with it.

 

[89Rustang]

Originally Posted by buster
Nice results. Fe and viscosity was better with the Mobil 1 0w40 if you want to pick nits although slight more miles on the Edge. Stick with it.


Thanks. I only switched to Edge due to M1 0w-40 losing the LL-01 cert. I have only seen one M1 0w-40 FS UOA from the same engine type since then and it wasn't as good as the old formula iirc.

 

[89Rustang]

Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by zeng
Look at residual TBN, it could have gone beyond 7.5k, IMO.


True but keep in mind the factory OCI for his vehicle is ~15k miles. 7.5k is therefore in the middle.



I never bought into the 15k miles on these engines.

 

[Patman]

Originally Posted by zeng
Look at residual TBN, it could have gone beyond 7.5k, IMO.


Not all that much more though, to be honest. I'm not sure it would be safe to run it beyond 10k in this application.

 

[RooflessVW]

Looks like annual changes are doing well for you.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by 89Rustang
Originally Posted by buster
Nice results. Fe and viscosity was better with the Mobil 1 0w40 if you want to pick nits although slight more miles on the Edge. Stick with it.


Thanks. I only switched to Edge due to M1 0w-40 losing the LL-01 cert.


Do you have proof that Mobil-Exxon paid for the certification and still lost it?
There's a difference between losing a "stamped" certification and no longer paying for that certification.

 

[dblshock]

looks like this UOA is the older Edge formula and the previous was the Edge A3/B4 newer version based in Ca/Mg measurements.

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted by dblshock
looks like this UOA is the older Edge formula and the previous was the Edge A3/B4 newer version based in Ca/Mg measurements.


I noticed that seemed backwards.

 

[89Rustang]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by 89Rustang
Originally Posted by buster
Nice results. Fe and viscosity was better with the Mobil 1 0w40 if you want to pick nits although slight more miles on the Edge. Stick with it.


Thanks. I only switched to Edge due to M1 0w-40 losing the LL-01 cert.


Do you have proof that Mobil-Exxon paid for the certification and still lost it?
There's a difference between losing a "stamped" certification and no longer paying for that certification.



Other than it no longer being on the bottle, no. Also, why wouldn't they pay for it if it met it, it's only a few thousand bucks from what I gather? I would also have to see more UOA better than THIS one before I use it again.

Either way, I pay roughly the same for Edge vs M1 so no reason not to use Edge which has the cert and is also a proven oil.

 

[CT8]

I have noticed on other uoas as well that the Calcium varies drastically on the Edge 0W-40.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted by 89Rustang
Other than it no longer being on the bottle, no. Also, why wouldn't they pay for it if it met it, it's only a few thousand bucks from what I gather?

Imperial Oil, our version of Exxon Mobil, still has an LL-01 product, but it's bulk only. This tells me the XOM is perfectly capable of meeting the specification (and I'm sure they're perfectly capable of paying). It tells me they're not interested.

 

[Bjornviken]

BMW LL01 is a long life oil. And Mobil1FS 0w-40 does not hold up in a bmw engine for 30k km.
If you look at m1 fs 0w-40 uoas it cant be far from the truth.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Bjornviken
BMW LL01 is a long life oil. And Mobil1FS 0w-40 does not hold up in a bmw engine for 30k km.
If you look at m1 fs 0w-40 uoas it cant be far from the truth.


That's a steaming load of bovine excrement. It carries numerous long drain approvals from other marques; the same approvals its predecessor carried. For example, MB 229.3:
Originally Posted by Mercedes
MB sheet 229.3 approved oils
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain interval indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi,


And 229.5:
Originally Posted by Mercedes
MB sheet 229.5 approved oils; "MB Longlife Service Oils"
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain intervals beyond 229.3 oils, to 30,000 km, min 1.8% fuel saving, first oils introduced summer 2002. ACEA A3 B4. For gas engines of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters).
229.5 engine oils must be used with fleece oil filter designed for use with 229.5 engine oils.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted by Bjornviken
BMW LL01 is a long life oil. And Mobil1FS 0w-40 does not hold up in a bmw engine for 30k km.
If you look at m1 fs 0w-40 uoas it cant be far from the truth.



Actually it is very far from the truth. M-1 is the standard. I am not a fanboy of M-1 but it's the truth.

 

[Bjornviken]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by Bjornviken
BMW LL01 is a long life oil. And Mobil1FS 0w-40 does not hold up in a bmw engine for 30k km.
If you look at m1 fs 0w-40 uoas it cant be far from the truth.


That's a steaming load of bovine excrement. It carries numerous long drain approvals from other marques; the same approvals its predecessor carried. For example, MB 229.3:
Originally Posted by Mercedes
MB sheet 229.3 approved oils
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain interval indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi,


And 229.5:
Originally Posted by Mercedes
MB sheet 229.5 approved oils; "MB Longlife Service Oils"
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain intervals beyond 229.3 oils, to 30,000 km, min 1.8% fuel saving, first oils introduced summer 2002. ACEA A3 B4. For gas engines of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters).
229.5 engine oils must be used with fleece oil filter designed for use with 229.5 engine oils.


Yees in MB engine. Did talk about BMW engine. How long oci interval do MB have in Canada?

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Bjornviken

Yees in MB engine. Did talk about BMW engine. How long oci interval do MB have in Canada?


I fail to see why you think the absence of LL-01 eliminates an oil from being a "Long Life" oil when it has a myriad of other approvals that are also designated as "Long Life" and of the same drain interval. This seems like conjecture-fuelled hyperbole

The drain intervals are in the post you quoted.