The Effect of Oil Drain Interval on Valvetrain Friction and Wear

I definitely call bs on that theory. It simply defies all the laws of physics. Lubrication "lubricates" parts. New oil is in perfect condition thus providing ultimate lubrication. If their theory was correct,the thing to do would be to leave in the factory fill untouched for the life of the car.
 
While it certainly SEEMS TO BE TRUE that older, "more-used" oil does (several different papers and studies prove it) reduces wear on "sliding parts"....

The only "oil related failure" I have ever dealt with in an engine was carbon in the rings that effectively welded the piston rings into the ring groves.
 
One thing for sure,if the test is valid it does not defy the laws of physics. That means there is more the learn. I like that.

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There are definitely lower wear trends in oil that is used longer, we've seen it time and again. Aquariuscsm's misgivings will occur if the oil is run too long but since Dnewton3 has taken dino to 15,000 miles there is a lot of wiggle room.
 
"These findings could be an enabler for achieving longer drain interval although several other factors must to be considered."
 
Well, I call BS on it.

2,500 mile OCI on our Dodges, Jeep, and Corolla haven't "hurt" them making it to nearly 300,000 miles EACH without much more than water pump using syn blend oils and PUROLATOR (that's right!) oil filters.

Oil is cheap. Mechanics' labor is not.
 
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Extended intervals do have advantages regarding wear that go against logic, logic would dictate nice fresh oil would protect better than old contaminated oil.

I am planning to gradually extend the oci on my daily driver 1988 Escort from 3000, to 4500 and maybe 6000 miles using a Dino 15w40 HDEO and a slightly oversized oil filter.

It's been proven by several studies that wear goes down after the oil is changed, not up.

OF COURSE, however the wear goes down until it starts going up again once the limits of the oil are reached, the key is changing the oil before that point is reached!

WHEN that point is reached of course is influenced by an infinite number of variables so in case of doubt definitely side on the side of precaution ( changing the oil sooner ).
 
Technically there is more wear with more frequent changes but it's so minute it's a non-issue. Run a reasonable interval determined by a couple of UOA's in different seasons and driving patterns and go based on that.
 
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I definitely call bs on that theory. It simply defies all the laws of physics. Lubrication "lubricates" parts. New oil is in perfect condition thus providing ultimate lubrication. If their theory was correct,the thing to do would be to leave in the factory fill untouched for the life of the car.



Not quite that simple. There is chemistry at play here and the detergent layer of fresh oil will wipe the anti-wear layer before another layer settles in.

Once again you can believe what you like but it does not mean it's factual.
 
Originally Posted by David2431
Well, I call BS on it.

2,500 mile OCI on our Dodges, Jeep, and Corolla haven't "hurt" them making it to nearly 300,000 miles EACH without much more than water pump using syn blend oils and PUROLATOR (that's right!) oil filters.

Oil is cheap. Mechanics' labor is not.



And if you did 5K changes the vehicles would be in the same condition.
 
Originally Posted by David2431
Well, I call BS on it.

2,500 mile OCI on our Dodges, Jeep, and Corolla haven't "hurt" them making it to nearly 300,000 miles EACH without much more than water pump using syn blend oils and PUROLATOR (that's right!) oil filters.

Oil is cheap. Mechanics' labor is not.


What that study says though is that by running the oil longer you might have in fact gotten to those 300.000 miles with even less wear.

Ofcourse extended intervals don't mean run the oil until it becomes sludge, it should always to be done within the ability of the oil to handle those longer intervals.
 
Originally Posted by JLTD
Dnewton3 has taken dino to 15,000 miles there is a lot of wiggle room.


Do you have a link to that?
 
Originally Posted by Bluestream
Originally Posted by JLTD
Dnewton3 has taken dino to 15,000 miles there is a lot of wiggle room.


Do you have a link to that?


I remember seeing that. Amazing!
 
From what I have learned (probably wrong) is the life of oil in an ICE is determined by going out of grade (thickening or thinning) and the ability of the additives to hold dirt and water in suspension. I don't remember seeing wear a part of the equation but I suspect the loss of AW and AF additive capabilities would be in there too.
 
New motor oil's detergents and dispersants don't have a lot of contaminants to attach to, so they interfere and compete more with the antiwear additives. The new antiwear additives gradually chemically transform into more effective antiwear species, due to heat and rubbing. Other reactions create various esters and carboxylate acids that provide antiwear abilities. These are the things that make used oil improve as the oil ages.

There are negative things happening as well as oil ages. Abrasive particles accumulate in the oil. Fuel and water dilution increases rapidly early on, then stabilizes, as long as outside temperature and usage stays the same. If there is a coolant leak into the oil, that is obviously bad. Deposit precursors increase with usage. For a while, that is not a problem. Eventually, the oil will start to allow deposits to accumulate. It may still be providing excellent antiwear protection. If it has too many abrasives, it will allow increased wear to occur, compared to itself when it was younger. Many oils that "fail", do so by being used too long and they leave a deposit mess behind. They do not fail due to ineffective antiwear additives.
 
I have a hard time wrapping my
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I definitely call bs on that theory. It simply defies all the laws of physics. Lubrication "lubricates" parts. New oil is in perfect condition thus providing ultimate lubrication. If their theory was correct,the thing to do would be to leave in the factory fill untouched for the life of the car.


I wouldn't go quite that far, but I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it too.
 
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