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Re: Wix 51223XP (BMW) [Re: OldEuroCarLover] #4190548 08/30/16 09:21 AM
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Looking up cartridges for a Toyota I found some that used the same verbiage as for their canister filters including adbv etc. So I think some just copy and paste the info into their spec sheet, but the actual cartridge isn't that spec at all. Most all looked like the same Korean knockoff of a Toyota Denso, with Fram being an exception.

As a side note why does a China made Fram TG cartridge filter cost like $10? There is no can, no baseplate, adbv, bypass valve, or center tube. Media, glue and two pieces of plastic end cap is all it is. Plus they have to ship it from China. http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetailWindow.aspx?b=F&pn=TG10358

Another side note is I think China is eating our lunch in quality of construction and attention to details. As well as taking our jobs.

Re: Wix 51223XP (BMW) [Re: OldEuroCarLover] #4190753 08/30/16 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: OldEuroCarLover
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I'm not really sure what is "bingo" in that thread, I read it all the way through and did not see where " a few people contacted WIX and were told that the XP synthetic filter doesn't filter very well", I saw one poster where he said that he had a phone conversation. Yet no numbers were given, so my original question still stands as to how a comparison is being made to the German filters. If no numbers are given on either side how do you know anything about any of the filters?

This isn't a "support Wix" thread nor comment. You probably won't believe me but as far as I know I've never used a Wix filter on any of my cars. It has always been OEM for the most part, except for when something "better" is on sale such as when M1 filters were available for $3.99 at Farm & Fleet. So don't take my comments as being in support of Wix.

It's just another case of comparisons being made and conclusions drawn with no data (IMO). The OP's original question was "I've been looking around to see if there's anything superior to the OEM BMW filters" and so far I haven't seen any way to make that determination.


It might not have been your intention at all to come off as aggressive, but I very clearly said "I guess" when I was talking about the filtering ability of the OEM filter competed to regular WIX compared to WIX XP. Then you asked for proof of something that I said I was guessing. No hard feelings if you just didn't mean to come off that way. There was quite a bit of info in that WIX XP thread, but I don't know how much of it is true. I doubt the people were lying, though.

In the end, I'm pretty comfortable with the OEM filters. A better filter for ~$10-$15, depending on how much better it is, would be nice, though.

Originally Posted By: bmwpowere36m3
Why not run the Hengst for 10k? I do in my wagon, two OCIs with conventional oil.

Like someone else said, nothing to improve upon with those filters other than local availability (IMHO)... because price-wise their on-par with spin-ons.


What kind of BMW wagon/engine? By two OCIs do you mean you're changing the oil at 5k and the filter at 10k? What kind of conventional oil are you using, brand/weight? Is it doing well with 5k conventional OCIs? Clean under the valve cover? (Sorry for all the questions.) If so, that's a pretty good note for the OEM filters.


Castrol GTX, Rotella TTT, Delvac 1300 and some bulk Castrol 10W-40 from work... most recently M1 HM (on sale). 4-5k change oil and 8-10k change filter. '95 MB E320 wagon has 290k miles and no noticeable consumption of oil. I tow with it every so often as well, utility trailer.

Re: Wix 51223XP (BMW) [Re: OldEuroCarLover] #4918163 11/08/18 06:45 AM
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A little late to the thread smile

I tried a Mobil1 oil filter in my 2003 330CI.

Here are the particle counts, the Mahle was run for 8000 miles the Mobil1 for 10,000 miles.
Both OCIs were Mobil1 0w-40 FS oil.

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+-----------------+-----------+-----------+
|                 | Mahle     | Mobil1    |
|                 | OX 154/1D | M1C-252   |
| ISO Code (2)    | 23/16     | 22/14     |
| NAS 1638 Class  | 12        | 12        |
| ISO Code (3)    | 24/23/16  | 24/22/14  |
| SAE AS4059 cpc  | 12        | 12        |
| 4 Micron µm(c)  | 143566    | 129901    |
| 6 Micron µm(c)  | 55703     | 35285     |
| 14 Micron µm(c) | 411       | 84        |
| 21 Micron µm(c) | 74        | 44        |
|                 |           |           |
| UOA wear metals | 8K miles  | 10K miles |
| ALUMINUM        | 7         | 3         |
| CHROMIUM        | 0         | 0         |
| IRON            | 23        | 27        |
| COPPER          | 23        | 13        |
| LEAD            | 6         | 4         |
| TIN             | 1         | 0         |
+-----------------+-----------+-----------+


I am running a WIX 51223XP now, but it will be over a year before I change the oil again and will likely not remember this thread smile
I emailed WIX for the Beta Ratios on the XP filter, they are "proprietary" I was told.

The standard WIX 51223 is rated-(probably similar to the OEM filters)
Beta Ratio: 2/20/75=22/34/45
Nominal Micron Rating: 22

50% at 22 microns
95% at 34 microns
98.7% at 45 microns.

I hope the XP is better, who knows.

Last edited by shanneba; 11/08/18 07:02 AM.

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Re: Wix 51223XP (BMW) [Re: OldEuroCarLover] #4918173 11/08/18 07:22 AM
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Your gonna be told the CP has terrible efficiency bit nobody really knows because it's not available info. A particles count iike you had done above would be revealing

Re: Wix 51223XP (BMW) [Re: shanneba] #4918398 11/08/18 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by shanneba
A little late to the thread smile

I tried a Mobil1 oil filter in my 2003 330CI.

Here are the particle counts, the Mahle was run for 8000 miles the Mobil1 for 10,000 miles.
Both OCIs were Mobil1 0w-40 FS oil.

Code
+-----------------+-----------+-----------+
|                 | Mahle     | Mobil1    |
|                 | OX 154/1D | M1C-252   |
| ISO Code (2)    | 23/16     | 22/14     |
| NAS 1638 Class  | 12        | 12        |
| ISO Code (3)    | 24/23/16  | 24/22/14  |
| SAE AS4059 cpc  | 12        | 12        |
| 4 Micron µm(c)  | 143566    | 129901    |
| 6 Micron µm(c)  | 55703     | 35285     |
| 14 Micron µm(c) | 411       | 84        |
| 21 Micron µm(c) | 74        | 44        |
|                 |           |           |
| UOA wear metals | 8K miles  | 10K miles |
| ALUMINUM        | 7         | 3         |
| CHROMIUM        | 0         | 0         |
| IRON            | 23        | 27        |
| COPPER          | 23        | 13        |
| LEAD            | 6         | 4         |
| TIN             | 1         | 0         |
+-----------------+-----------+-----------+




Good data showing that the filter that kept the oil cleaner also resulted in less wear metal levels in the oil.

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