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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: StevieC] #4885041
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already have my first black blackstone bottle in hand smile next oil change in 4000mi

Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4885069
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Originally Posted by insanecoder
Meanwhile so if both sides have no concrete evidence to prove their side's argument, you fall back on experiential data
Experieential data being only valid from those who actually experienced the product (ie.. USED it)
Right off then the naysayers's inputs need to be negated as theyve no experience with the product

Unfortunately, that's not even experimental data, but one data point. It's anecdotal. The average user doesn't have the credentials or time to properly evaluate the one data point. Even if he does, it's just that - one data point. I don't need to smoke to know that smoking is bad for me, even if it's no guarantee of cancer or lung disease.

Originally Posted by insanecoder
btw what wear-check.. send a link please

With respect to chlorine, additive skepticism works in reverse, too. Just because something is harmful doesn't mean it will kill your engine dead, or noticeably harm it over the time one has it. Nor will the evidence always be obvious, particularly if there are no tear downs. If catastrophic failure is the metric, you're clearly not going to see that each time, or even most times.

As to WearCheck, they are an oil analysis lab. I don't provide non-sponsor sales links, but you can type WearCheck into any search engine and you'll find them very quickly. There are a fair number of oil analyses on this site from WearCheck. They're certainly not unknown to BITOG users.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4886419
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I thought this was a boron based additive?

Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4886435
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Originally Posted by insanecoder
and 80%+ of those who used it seem to feel that it does what it claims

Lmao.


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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: kschachn] #4886453
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I'd be willing to give their waterless wheel cleaner a try. Only $3 + $7.25 shipping. Ok maybe not.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4886546
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Always there will be haters and doubters
unfortunately they rarely seem to make it into becoming experimenters having never tried it
and therefore remain stuck in their box or being the last ones to come around to anything

Ive got an engine investment to protect.. its getting a try

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4892231
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Requesting evidence of claims isn't hating. Saying "hating" invariably means there is none forthcoming.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4892284
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Originally Posted by insanecoder
I've just got my order in.. my bottle is coming this week
so I plan to blackstone a before-after and over several iterations to see what its doing to be sure
so I'm not exactly putting faith into it either I want to see results in terms of
whether I am getting any efficiency gains at all which should show in RPM, operational temperature, vibration
as far as the most important goal (for me) is engine life so I want to see a baseline blackstone and then look @ with motorkote in over time
but I have to say the fear mongering based on nothing but negative belief is wholly unscientific and keeps people from maybe getting a product which may benefit their engine investment


Lets start at the bottom and work our way up. First an engine is not an investment. " fear mongering based on nothing but negative belief" Is that how you explain a lack of data supporting the product?

People here do more that just pour a product into their engines to evaluate it. Perhaps a VOA of the product might have some value, but not everything shows up on a VOA.

I have always considered a UOA to be an evaluation of how the oil is holding up in use, not the engine. Except for coolant, I'm not convinced that UOA's can determine engine wear. I seem to remember some well known bmw engine bearing issues that did not necessarily show up on UOA s but still failed.

Originally Posted by insanecoder

unfortunately they rarely seem to make it into becoming experimenters having never tried it


Originally Posted by insanecoder
You know I have been reading these Motorkote threads and I notice a few things about the naysayers
1) they never tried Motorkote


You are implying that you should not evaluate the product unless you purchase it and put it in your engine.

You joined and immediately jumped into a conversation on the product and you state you can really judge it unless you try ( purchase) it. You have no other posts on this site other than about this product.

Sounds spammy to me.

Originally Posted by insanecoder

Ive got an engine investment to protect.. its getting a try


What if it does not protect it, since your only measure is pouring it in to see if it works. Have you tried wd-40, maple surup, or murphys oil soap, or citronella oil in your engine?

Remember , you can't knock it unless you've tried it.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: spasm3] #4893656
10/11/18 07:54 AM
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Well theyre not going to reveal their secret sauce for reasons you can probably intuit
If you want some semblance of quantitative data or experience then look at the arm-less timken tests (minus the arm != one-arm bandit) against other oils
Also the myriads of non-engineers buying the crap about Timken test instruments as somehow frauds needs to know TImken is a longstanding engineering company with a bearing division

We have word of mouth testimonials which aren't quantitative but the qualitative positive data is fairly large sampling
We have alot of unsubstantiated claims against this product.. one often wonders why but the keyword is unsubstantiated
Please if you have evidence, launch a class-action.. please the lawyers would be all over it (sound of crickets).. exactly

All the experiential data points to the fact its worth a try imo
If you dont wish to then dont.. simple

I recently saw a presentation by the founder doing timken tests on all the additives and synthetics and he seems convincing..
you ask why motorkote isnt all over the world in every engine..
engineers and scientists arent the best marketers.. study Nikola Tesla for a grand example (he had his pocket picked many a times) and is barely known if not for his name on a unit of magnetic flux density and that ridiculous car company
history is repleat w/ superior products which did not succeed
get it into your mind that the product which wins is often the one perceived as better not that which IS better
gotta love the marketing and finance guys.. blame them

and sorry putting maple surup, or murphys oil soap, or citronella oil is unscientific and a bad example.. use common sense..

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4894200
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The Timken test (and the 4 ball) are valid tests...for what they are testing, and have error bands of the range of 20%...

But they have ZERO relevance for anything to do with engine oil, in your engine...could you please tell me which part of your engine looks like the Timken test apparatus ?

They, and the people pushing them ARE fraudulent in their claims that the test relates to engine protection...and the gullible are duped every time (even as a young engineer, I was duped...learned more about it, understood what was going on and how it's meangless to my engine, then started to see how charlatans could use it to appear convincing).

Struggling to see what Tesla has to do in the context here...you have polyphase AC...Tesla's work is everywhere.


If it's the truth....it can handle the pressure !!!
Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: SirTanon] #4894204
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Funny, they don't have the MSDS on their Oz MSDS page...I think that's illegal..
http://motorkote.com.au/msds

But REALLY got a laugh out of their claims...

Quote
The perfect replacement for Slick 50, Liqui Moly, Lucas & Morey's,


If it's the truth....it can handle the pressure !!!
Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: Shannow] #4894254
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That's the only truthful claim they make. It's a perfect replacement for other unnecessary additives.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: Shannow] #4896388
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Originally Posted by Shannow
The Timken test (and the 4 ball) are valid tests...for what they are testing, and have error bands of the range of 20%...

But they have ZERO relevance for anything to do with engine oil, in your engine...could you please tell me which part of your engine looks like the Timken test apparatus ?

They, and the people pushing them ARE fraudulent in their claims that the test relates to engine protection...and the gullible are duped every time (even as a young engineer, I was duped...learned more about it, understood what was going on and how it's meangless to my engine, then started to see how charlatans could use it to appear convincing).

Struggling to see what Tesla has to do in the context here...you have polyphase AC...Tesla's work is everywhere.


its not about replicating the conditions inside your engine and all of its different contact points and pressures
its a simplified test for lubricity
one of the goals of having that lubricant in your engine

and the Tesla example was about how talented inventors arent the best businessmen.. if you actually read what I wrote

Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: insanecoder] #4896733
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A simplified test that does not replicate anything in your engine only tells you how things do...in that simplified test...not how your engine wears...surely you can see the difference.

Timken is a reputable manufacturer, but if their test has nothing to do with any behaviour in engines, it means nothing.

Why does the entire industry use the sequence IVA wear test for wear when a one armed bandit could do it for cents in the dollar ?


If it's the truth....it can handle the pressure !!!
Re: New vid from Project Farm - MotorKote. I'm sold. [Re: Shannow] #4897349
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I'd love to see an IVR with Motorkote + whatever oils vs some brand
but how exactly are you to carry around and engine and disassemble and measure for every oil sample mixture
as a demo for people?
not to mention having to replace the cam for each sample

just as you dont use an IVR for determining viscosity of said lubricant
you dont use IVR for determining lubricity

you must be able to tell the difference between the two tests right?
each has its place

and to say it means "nothing" is unscientific


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