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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Y_K] #4889800
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The Karl Walter were good tools, I had a set of their zinc phosphate coated wrenches, ugly as sin but they are for marine environments and don't rust even near salt water. Their translucent red handled screwdrivers are still going strong after 20+ years.
Buying from Amazon is almost 20% cheaper than buying the stuff there but they don't have or ship everything to the US, for those things I pick them up myself and send/bring them.

The tool company Hoffmann has a lot of made for them only items they don't sell on Amazon or ship to the US, unlike Walmart and HD their made for them tools are not cheapened to a price point they are upgraded to commercial/industrial use.
These screwdrivers from PB Swiss are exclusive to Hoffmann as can be seen by the mark on the handle and part#.

IMG_0296.JPG

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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Trav] #4890426
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Looks like the ratchetting ones are not German made though. Looks like Gedore is the only German made ones.

As a matter of fact Hoffmann has been active in USA for a couple + years now, with huge paper catalogs, reps and all that.
No stores though, mostly industrial business model. Hoffmann USA has its own web site.

TOP FRC-6000 is impressively durable, although smaller in number of sizes and has no direction switch

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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Y_K] #4890587
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I didn't know they were in the US. The store go to is a main warehouse, you go in place the order at the counter, pay the cashier and come back in 3 hrs and pick it up, boxed, billed out, the works. There is no tool showroom, grab off the rack and pay sort of thing, Americans wouldn't like it, it was much worse years ago which was a sit down session.

Gedore being part of Hazet surprises me that they are not farming these out like some of the other slow selling tools that either get cancelled from the program or made for them eg the wire strippers, self grips, oil filter removal fingers, hydraulic nut splitters, etc, their front end tools are Klann and pliers are Knipex.

The stuff they do farm out is done by some of the best in the business for that type of product. I am trying to run down a nut splitter I got a few weeks ago, it is sold by Sykes Pickervant but made in Germany so its not a Sykes made product. It is also sold under the names Bahco, Gedore and Belzer, I suspect Gedore makes it as Hazet also sold it with reverse color scheme. the original Hazet I had is being repaired by Hazet (hydraulic failed after 25 years, frame okay) and has a square shape not round like the newer discontinued model.


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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Trav] #4891039
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25 years of professional use is a great endorsement. Thank you for sharing this

Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Trav] #4891515
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For me it's over 40 years of professional use, and that's when the quality is just starting to show.


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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Silk] #4891651
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I started in 71 but didn't have all the tools when I started school or even when I finished in 75 it took some years to buy top quality stuff without going into debt on a tool truck.
Most of my stuff has held up very well but I upgraded to newer features (QR and flank drive) not because they were worn out.


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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Trav] #4891926
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I was told that the ratchets in those Stahlwille are made by KABO, they are very durable.

On the driver side of the tool business: if you ever come across Sunflag lines, take a good look and touch. They are on par with PB Swiss. I love both.
In general, Japanese don't bother to market their tools abroad like Germans and Americans. There are a lot of hidden gems there.

Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Y_K] #4892021
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I have a set of Vessel 220 ball drivers that are really nice in the hand, not expensive but nice. Nepros makes a nice small head 3/8 ratchet and King Dick from England make some of the best sockets on the market.
Lots of good tools out there but they are not well advertised.


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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Trav] #4892275
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Methinks King Dick is from Taiwan, but it's not important. The 220 series from Vessel is a quality series made in Thailand, and the tool is simply addictive. My Mrs took away a wide slotted one and a stubby to crush walnuts. Another good crusher is a Wera ESD stubby. I bought her this elegant Toyo tool-box where she keeps her tools now. Including excellent and quite affordable Vessel precision set that works with reading glasses.

Correction: I mixed the Kings, that was King Tony. KD was the standard issue with Land Rovers in some years

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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Trav] #4892439
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Originally Posted by Trav
I started in 71 but didn't have all the tools when I started school or even when I finished in 75 it took some years to buy top quality stuff without going into debt on a tool truck.
Most of my stuff has held up very well but I upgraded to newer features (QR and flank drive) not because they were worn out.


I started my apprenticeship in 1970, and built up a good collection of bits and pieces, but had most of my tools stolen in 1977, and then again in 1979. The 2nd time I worked late, and rather than being my usual tidy self, just walked out the door. They just grabbed my concertina box and took it. Both times rather than replace individual items, I just got full sets replaced. So most of my replacement Stahlwille from the first time were gone, apart from what was on the bench, the Hazet stuff is the 2nd replacent gear.


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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Silk] #4892518
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Stealing someones tools they use to make a living has to be one of the lowest things you can do to someone, it really makes you loose sleep and eat you guts out.
I hope you got some compensation and the tools replaced in full.


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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Y_K] #4892522
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Originally Posted by Y_K
Methinks King Dick is from Taiwan, but it's not important. The 220 series from Vessel is a quality series made in Thailand, and the tool is simply addictive. My Mrs took away a wide slotted one and a stubby to crush walnuts. Another good crusher is a Wera ESD stubby. I bought her this elegant Toyo tool-box where she keeps her tools now. Including excellent and quite affordable Vessel precision set that works with reading glasses.

Correction: I mixed the Kings, that was King Tony. KD was the standard issue with Land Rovers in some years


Vessel has a nice multi blade set made in Japan for cheap, nice fitting tips and magnetic. I have one in every vehicle and one in the house, they come in real handy.
I like that small tool box for the house.

Check this out, it is really a worthwhile tool for under $16 on the door.

Vessel multi

Edit: The plastic case is reusable and an easy way to keep them together.

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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Trav] #4892731
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Thank you. The same thing: it's everywhere in my case as well. Here it is from Jeff.

There is also Vessel 2200 Ratcheting Driver - yet anothe money separation triggerr

Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Y_K] #4892781
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Yep another tool to buy. LOL I don't remember what I own anymore. Last week it was this thing..

https://www.amazon.com/GearWrench-81270-Drive-Gimbal-Ratchet/dp/B00HDSSJKU

I cant say if its worthwhile or not yet.


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Re: Stahlwille Short Pattern Wrenches [Re: Trav] #4892790
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Ratchets by Tone next? Very compact and have QR smile

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