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Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues #4878613 09/25/18 11:09 AM
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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878633 09/25/18 11:26 AM
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Cliff Notes: Don't buy GM.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878634 09/25/18 11:26 AM
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People really hate DI , don't they?


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878639 09/25/18 11:28 AM
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I guess i've been lucky with the 6 i've owned.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878641 09/25/18 11:30 AM
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6 gas DI cars ?


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: wemay] #4878651 09/25/18 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by wemay
I guess i've been lucky with the 6 i've owned.


What is the highest mileage of the 6?


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878667 09/25/18 11:44 AM
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The reason there is hate for DI is because some OE's do it well and others not so much, there was also the first generation that ironed out all the bugs using their customers as guinea pigs. Ford/Mazda for example have excellent control of their DI systems. Other OE's are anywhere between just requiring more maintenance to being absolute nightmares.

You will ALWAYS hear the bad but seldom we hear the good. Similar happens with folks afraid of flying even though you are more likely to die in a car crash. We hear about every plane crash, we don't hear about every car crash. PERSPECTIVE. wink

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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878671 09/25/18 11:48 AM
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I kept three past 100K miles.
GDI deposits typically start showing drivability issues around 30K miles:

2013 Santa Fe 2.0T - 118K miles (wife's current vehicle)
2001 Audi A4 1.8T - 180K miles (bought with 75K miles)
2008 GTI - 105K miles (bought with 60K miles)

The things that have remained constant to this day are:

Oil changes no longer than 5K miles.
Top Tier gas




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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878680 09/25/18 11:52 AM
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Interesting read, thanks for the share.


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878686 09/25/18 11:55 AM
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My DI MS3 was running fine at eight years and 158k miles when I flipped it for Horror of Horrors!!!-a 2014 M235i- another GDI turbo. Oh the humanity!
Then there's my wife's Clubman, which has a 1.6 liter GDI motor as well; it's running great at 112k miles...


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2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878691 09/25/18 11:59 AM
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He doesn't even mention the massive rate of turbocharger failure when these chunks of carbon begin flaking off and getting spit out through that tiny turbine wheel spinning 100,000 rpm... We began seeing a lot of early failures on several different makes and brands of turbos at my last place of employment in the turbocharger rebuilding industry.

Pallets and pallets of Eco-Boost turbos as well as the GM and VAG stuff. Coincidentally most all were GDI...


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878702 09/25/18 12:07 PM
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Interesting read. Thanks!


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878724 09/25/18 12:23 PM
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It reinforces my belief that GDI and long OCIs don't play well together.

Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: Brigadier] #4878736 09/25/18 12:33 PM
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Or that GDI and turbos don't play well together...


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Re: Engine Rebuilder's view of GDI intake issues [Re: racin4ds] #4878829 09/25/18 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by racin4ds
He doesn't even mention the massive rate of turbocharger failure when these chunks of carbon begin flaking off and getting spit out through that tiny turbine wheel spinning 100,000 rpm... We began seeing a lot of early failures on several different makes and brands of turbos at my last place of employment in the turbocharger rebuilding industry.

Pallets and pallets of Eco-Boost turbos as well as the GM and VAG stuff. Coincidentally most all were GDI...

It's not a coincidence. There are far more GDI turbos than port-injected, so of course you'd expect most of the failures also to be GDI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias


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