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Liqui Moly Oil Additive #4874818 09/21/18 02:10 PM
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What positives / negatives can you tell me about this engine oil additive? Liqui Moly MOS2 Anti-friction engine treatment.

have a 2012 Jeep Cherokee with the 5.7 hemi engine that has a light tick on startup. The can says it is 300 ml; how much would be needed on a 7 quart oil change?

Thanks

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IIRC LM has a product for hydraulic valves. That being said it just might be your choice of oil that's causing the tick.


oh..and Go Dawgs! They have an early game tomorrow vs Mizzou.


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I tried buying their Molygen Motor Protect but they don't sell it in the US. I would have had to pay inflated Ebay prices and on top of that I'd need 2 bottles for my application. You can buy their oil with the Molygen already in it though, and for a decent price, on Amazon.

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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
IIRC LM has a product for hydraulic valves. That being said it just might be your choice of oil that's causing the tick.


oh..and Go Dawgs! They have an early game tomorrow vs Mizzou.


Go Dawgs!

I am running the Penzoil Platinum synthetic 5w-20 and a Mopar 899 filter.

suggestions?


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4874859 09/21/18 02:36 PM
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Get that water for oil out of that Hemi and put a good 5-10W30 in it and your tick will disappear... especially living in GA, cold starts aren't really a concern.


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LM MoS2 will settle out of suspension as it’s not in a true liquid soluble form. I looked into it but decided against it after hearing advice from people far smarter and more knowledgeable on the subject.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: racin4ds] #4874976 09/21/18 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by racin4ds
Get that water for oil out of that Hemi and put a good 5-10W30 in it and your tick will disappear... especially living in GA, cold starts aren't really a concern.

Originally Posted by racin4ds
Get that water for oil out of that Hemi and put a good 5-10W30 in it and your tick will disappear... especially living in GA, cold starts aren't really a concern.


recommendations please?


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4874994 09/21/18 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dawgn86
recommendations please?


Mobil 1 high mileage 10W-30. It is SN+ spec’d but without the GF-5 spec (meaning it’s not subject to the “resource conserving” fuel economy requirements). Should also keep seals pliable and from leaking.


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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by dawgn86
recommendations please?


Mobil 1 high mileage 10W-30. It is SN+ spec’d but without the GF-5 spec (meaning it’s not subject to the “resource conserving” fuel economy requirements). Should also keep seals pliable and from leaking.


...and an HT/HS of 3.5 with A3/B3 cert. If that's what your after.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4875214 09/21/18 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dawgn86
Originally Posted by racin4ds
Get that water for oil out of that Hemi and put a good 5-10W30 in it and your tick will disappear... especially living in GA, cold starts aren't really a concern.

Originally Posted by racin4ds
Get that water for oil out of that Hemi and put a good 5-10W30 in it and your tick will disappear... especially living in GA, cold starts aren't really a concern.


recommendations please?


Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20 or 5W-30. But honestly, that's almost like asking "what's the best oil brand". Everyone has got their favorite. You didn't say how many miles you had on it. But IMHO and speaking from a mechanic's (OCD aviation) viewpoint, a lifter bleeding down just wouldn't cause me any concern. Since you said it goes away on start-up. Now if it didn't, yeah that would bother me greatly. I certainly wouldn't use any "additives". I've never seen any engine teardowns where they benefitted from additives.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: jetmech1] #4875230 09/21/18 08:14 PM
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It has 104k miles. Oil changed every 5k.

Owners manual says 5w-20 weight

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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4875293 09/21/18 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dawgn86
It has 104k miles. Oil changed every 5k.

Owners manual says 5w-20 weight

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BITOG tradition is to use a different weight than what is specified in the owner's manual. Especially if you have a newer car that specs "water oil" lol.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: wemay] #4875323 09/21/18 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wemay
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Originally Posted by dawgn86
recommendations please?


Mobil 1 high mileage 10W-30. It is SN+ spec’d but without the GF-5 spec (meaning it’s not subject to the “resource conserving” fuel economy requirements). Should also keep seals pliable and from leaking.


...and an HT/HS of 3.5 with A3/B3 cert. If that's what your after.


Exactly. HTHS of 3.5 (“thick 30”) is the sweet spot for most applications in my opinion. Plenty of room for shearing and dilution to stay in grade.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4875448 09/21/18 11:03 PM
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Don't worry, a certain member will be along shortly to tell you that the cure for all your ills for the Hemi is Redline oil, because of high moly.

Down in Georgia, you should have no issues running a 10W30 year round, so go with Mobil if that's what you prefer. I stocked up on the Delo XLE 10W30 when WM was clearancing it, so that's what I would use in your case.

If your engine has MDS (I don't know all the intricacies of what had it and what didn't), the problem is one of metallurgy and can only be truly fixed by changing the cam out for a billet core instead of the SADI that was used by the factory, and replacing any damaged lifters as well.

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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
LM MoS2 will settle out of suspension as it’s not in a true liquid soluble form. I looked into it but decided against it after hearing advice from people far smarter and more knowledgeable on the subject.


I have heard this as well.

Where does it go to?!?!?

Trapped in all the little pockets where sludge usually forms?

Or does it get stuck in the pleats of the oil filter and stay there?


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4875527 09/22/18 01:06 AM
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Yes,
the little jars that I mixed for my freezer tests I left sit for a few months.

The oil drained out, and the molly stayed in the bottom, and couldn't be flushed out with detergent and hot water. Had to be scraped out, just like sludge


If it's the truth....it can handle the pressure !!!
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Originally Posted by Shannow
Yes,
the little jars that I mixed for my freezer tests I left sit for a few months.

The oil drained out, and the molly stayed in the bottom, and couldn't be flushed out with detergent and hot water. Had to be scraped out, just like sludge


Does this also happen with oils with high amount of moly? I mean much higher than normal normal like tgmo 0Wx20 and my new favorite redline?

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I don't think so.

The MoS2 is a mineral form, like graphite, not oil soluble like MoDTC.

(e.g. Zinc oxide versus ZDDP when you get it on your fingers)


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I can say that I have added LM 2009 it to oil (LM 4200) before. 200 ML of additive equaled ~ 230 ppm of MoS2 in my oil analysis. LM 4200 does not contain any MoS2 so it all came from the can of 2009.

It did not settle out and I collected the sample from an oil extractor about half-way through the suction time

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Never used it but redline 5w-20 or 30 gets rid of hemi tick


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How fast does it settle out?
If it takes weeks to settle to the bottom of the oil, I would think it
would stay suspended in the oil in a car/truck engine that is used or run
daily or several times a week.(me).


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Insoluble MoS2 is inferior to soluble MoDTC (common) or MoDTP (uncommon). Paying for the former is folly. I wouldn’t even use it if it was free. If you want the good stuff, use an additive that has it or an oil that has a lot of it. This thread should be in the additive forum.

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Didn’t BITOG member Trav discuss a experience with LM moly additive? It wasn’t positive.

Correct me if I am wrong.


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You are correct, PimTac

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Originally Posted by Shannow
Yes,
the little jars that I mixed for my freezer tests I left sit for a few months.

The oil drained out, and the molly stayed in the bottom, and couldn't be flushed out with detergent and hot water. Had to be scraped out, just like sludge

It mixes up pretty easy after sitting in the can.


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I use Mos2 in a CX-5 driven short trips, one a week, or less. My UOA showed high levels of moly suspended in the old oil. I posted the UOA here a while back.

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Do you guys know what is in Rislone oil treatment/additive?
STP oil treatment says it has zddp on the bottle ... but Rislone doesn't specify and I wonder if it has moly or not. It is very popular with good reviews. Just curious what's in it crzy
I do like Red Line numbers ... Very solid oil!

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You can try Castrol magatec of you like. The theory being there is quite a bit of ester and it should work to deaden the sound. The other theory is the oil is too thick upon startup thus once the oil thins the tick goes away.


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I live in Augusta, GA and just picked up 2 bottles of Lubro-Moly MoS2 at my local Napa a few weeks ago. I'm not sure if it helps. The oil turned a dull gray color though.


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Originally Posted by OilUzer
Do you guys know what is in Rislone oil treatment/additive?
STP oil treatment says it has zddp on the bottle ... but Rislone doesn't specify and I wonder if it has moly or not. It is very popular with good reviews. Just curious what's in it crzy
I do like Red Line numbers ... Very solid oil!



It is a 20 grade:

Rislone Engine Treatment from quart bottle (32 oz.) version.

Physical Tests:
Viscosity (cSt 40C) 43.0
Viscosity (cSt 100C) 8.0

Additives (ppm):
Magnesium (Mg) 3
Calcium (Ca) 1935
Phosphorus (P) 422
Zinc (Zn) 503
Boron (B) 8

TMP Ester ~ 11% by weight.


The amount of ZDDP is at a level to supplant the ZDDP when this stuff is added.


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Originally Posted by racin4ds
Get that water for oil out of that Hemi and put a good 5-10W30 in it and your tick will disappear... especially living in GA, cold starts aren't really a concern.



How would a oil when at startup is very thick thicker than a 30 grade at operating tempature help? It makes no sense a very thick oil there is a tick and when it thins out the tick goes away.


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Originally Posted by OilUzer
Do you guys know what is in Rislone oil treatment/additive?
STP oil treatment says it has zddp on the bottle ... but Rislone doesn't specify and I wonder if it has moly or not. It is very popular with good reviews. Just curious what's in it crzy
I do like Red Line numbers ... Very solid oil!



It is a 20 grade:

Rislone Engine Treatment from quart bottle (32 oz.) version.

Physical Tests:
Viscosity (cSt 40C) 43.0
Viscosity (cSt 100C) 8.0

Additives (ppm):
Magnesium (Mg) 3
Calcium (Ca) 1935
Phosphorus (P) 422
Zinc (Zn) 503
Boron (B) 8

TMP Ester ~ 11% by weight.


The amount of ZDDP is at a level to supplant the ZDDP when this stuff is added.


Thanks!

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Originally Posted by dawgn86
What positives / negatives can you tell me about this engine oil additive? Liqui Moly MOS2 Anti-friction engine treatment.

have a 2012 Jeep Cherokee with the 5.7 hemi engine that has a light tick on startup. The can says it is 300 ml; how much would be needed on a 7 quart oil change?

Thanks


Redline will cure that tick. If it's the lifters..


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Are you sure its not an exhaust manifold leak. Kind of common on the dodge. Sounds just like a lifter (lash adjuster) tic I am told. How about a mechanic stethoscope on the valve covers to make sure its a lifter. I have a dodge 4.7. I have the dreaded tic.Lifters sound the same warm and cold with the stethoscope. I used the output of a shop vac to pressurize my exhaust and confirmed an exhaust manifold gasket failure. I have yet to replace the gaskets. With winter coming up here in ND might wait until spring. If something goes wrong with those rusty as heck studs I don't want to have to drive the Geo Tracker ragtop while I repair broken studs. Most Dodge guys will tell you if the tick goes away after a few min don't worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
LM MoS2 will settle out of suspension as it’s not in a true liquid soluble form. I looked into it but decided against it after hearing advice from people far smarter and more knowledgeable on the subject.


I have heard this as well.

Where does it go to?!?!?

Trapped in all the little pockets where sludge usually forms?

Or does it get stuck in the pleats of the oil filter and stay there?


The nooks and crannies ! horse

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Look into TUFOIL. In the Guinness book of world records for most efficient lubricant. Has 4.8 out of 5 stars on amazon with 138 reviews. NEVER been sued by the FTC. Its awesome stuff in my opinion, one of the best additives i have came across.

Amazon- https://www.amazon.com/Tufoil-Engin...541610050&sr=8-1&keywords=tufoil

Tufoil website- https://www.fluoramics.com/tufoil/tufoil-for-engines/


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Originally Posted by Diesel12
Look into TUFOIL. In the Guinness book of world records for most efficient lubricant. Has 4.8 out of 5 stars on amazon with 138 reviews. NEVER been sued by the FTC. Its awesome stuff in my opinion, one of the best additives i have came across.

Amazon- https://www.amazon.com/Tufoil-Engin...541610050&sr=8-1&keywords=tufoil

Tufoil website- https://www.fluoramics.com/tufoil/tufoil-for-engines/

PTFE has no place in motor oil and DuPont specifically disavowed and warned against any use of their product for that application.

What specific test results posted to the Tufoil website lend credence to their vague claims? I asked you that the last time when you promoted Tufoil but you didn't respond.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4918155 11/08/18 06:17 AM
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I just go by real world reviews from people that have actually used it including myself. Actually just 3 days ago i added some to my fathers 03 Durango 4.7 with 220K miles that had some nice lifter noise. After 5 min the noise was gone and his truck ran smoother than it ever has. I dont think ive ever read a bad review on Tufoil. I do my own research, experiment for myself and make my own decisions/observations. I like to think for myself not let propaganda persuade my findings.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4918742 11/08/18 07:23 PM
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so the liqui moly MOS2 isn't oil soluble. i could've sworn i read about another brand that was soluble. am i mistaken? any help?

Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4919102 11/09/18 11:06 AM
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So... before anyone rips me a new one I totally admit my results here are strictly anecdotal with no science involved.

I drive a 2005 Dodge Ram 5.7 Hemi in good shape with 208,000 miles on it. The engine burns no oil and has no unusual sounds coming out of it. I'm retired and drive the same routine week after week, local driving, some highway driving to big box stores like Menards and Home Depot and one or two trips a month to visit our daughter and her family 90 miles away. I want to get another year out of the truck before buying a new one.

For a couple of years I averaged 15.6 mpg, that number virtually never changed. A little over three months ago I added a can of regular size (not truck) Liqui Moly to the engine and reset the display. Within a week the mpg average sat at 16.4 and after three months it still sits at 16.4. I don't believe my driving habits have changed, I'm no more easy on the accelerator than before and I still cringe every time I look at the gas gauge.

Something is giving me better mileage, sure it could be something else but I'll probably add another can of Liqui Moly after the next oil change just in case it does make the old truck happier. Your results may vary.

Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4920315 11/10/18 05:18 PM
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LiquiMoly 2009, and other forms of molybdenum have been used in manual lathe and mill gearboxes for a long time. 10, maybe 15 years ago, I had a lathe that had a nasty habit of superimposing gear vibration marks onto the workpiece being cut. This was due to the pressure angle on the gear teeth of this particular lathe. Someone suggested using different lube etc and eventually that lead to trying LiquiMoly. It worked. As I recall, the gearbox held about 2.5 gallons of ISO 60 hydraulic oil and I poured one can of LiquiMoly in there. Within 5 minutes, I could hear the change in how the machine ran. Much quieter... The superimposed gear marks went away too.

Of course, there's a big difference between a lathe gearbox and a gasoline IC engine... Huge difference! But anyhow, I did some experiments with LM 2009 and will probably try it in one of my cars at the next OC. In machine shops, I've used various forms of Moly lubes and they worked well. There are places where Moly should be avoided but, off the top of my head, don't see a problem with modern gas IC engine.

They recommend roughly 300 ml / 5qts oil and that comes out to a 16:1 ratio.

Here it is mixed with M1 (16:1 exactly) then warmed-up in a hot water bath of 180F then, mixed thoroughly with the syringe tip. Next, it sat in a deep freezer at -10 F for 3 days. Upon taking it out, it was all perfectly held in suspension with absolutely no evidence of settling out or caking on the bottom. When warmed back up to 180, it looked no different than the first time I mixed it. No settling whatsoever.

5 family cars... What the heck, I'll give it a shot. Yes, I've seen the videos of people putting this in their lawn mower etc... Fortunately, my car is not powered by a lawnmower engine.

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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4921837 11/12/18 09:41 AM
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Two or three more days sitting at -10F in the deep freezer. The first picture was taken right out of the freezer, un-shaken or stirred and before condensation had a chance to frost-up the beaker. Surprisingly, even at that cold temperature, the oil is surprisingly fluid. -Not at all as viscous as I would imagine and probably less so than maple syrup at warm household room temperature. The moly still looks very suspended in the solution.

In the second picture, the beaker has warmed-up to garage/shop temperature has not been shaken or stirred. It's about 52F according to the wall thermometer and the oil is downright "liquidy". When holding the beaker edge-wise and looking through the oil, the moly seems evenly dispersed through the volume of fluid. If I were to warm this up, it could be poured out and basically leave the beaker clean but with a film of oil with a light grey tint. There are absolutely no signs of moly caked, crusted or clumped and stuck to the bottom of the beaker.

I wonder why some motor oils have only 20-30ppm and some have 500 to 600 ppm. From a chemical perspective, it's fairly harmless. It's everywhere in the ground, soil etc.

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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: dawgn86] #4922010 11/12/18 12:29 PM
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“I wonder why some motor oils have only 20-30ppm and some have 500 to 600 ppm. From a chemical perspective, it's fairly harmless. It's everywhere in the ground, soil etc.“




Different forms of moly just like there are different forms of any mineral.

Trinuclear Moly needs less to accomplish the same effect as the moly disulfide.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: RayCJ] #4923239 11/13/18 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RayCJ
LiquiMoly 2009, and other forms of molybdenum have been used in manual lathe and mill gearboxes for a long time. 10, maybe 15 years ago, I had a lathe that had a nasty habit of superimposing gear vibration marks onto the workpiece being cut. This was due to the pressure angle on the gear teeth of this particular lathe. Someone suggested using different lube etc and eventually that lead to trying LiquiMoly. It worked. As I recall, the gearbox held about 2.5 gallons of ISO 60 hydraulic oil and I poured one can of LiquiMoly in there. Within 5 minutes, I could hear the change in how the machine ran. Much quieter... The superimposed gear marks went away too...

Ray


Funny you mention this. In my early days in the machine trades I occasionally ran a gear head lathe with worn gears. Any time I tried to take a light finish cut it chopped a beautiful herringbone pattern in to the surface of whatever I was cutting. It was a cool finish... but not what I was after.

Thanks for your tests. I have to wonder how little cans of Liqui Moly travel for months from Germany and then sit on a retailer's shelf possibly for more months with little or no settling. Yet we have to worry about it turning to solidified gunk in the bottom of oil pans after a few weeks of engine inactivity.

Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: PimTac] #4923474 11/13/18 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PimTac
“I wonder why some motor oils have only 20-30ppm and some have 500 to 600 ppm. From a chemical perspective, it's fairly harmless. It's everywhere in the ground, soil etc.“




Different forms of moly just like there are different forms of any mineral.

Trinuclear Moly needs less to accomplish the same effect as the moly disulfide.



+1 If i understand it correctly, the trinuc moly converts to mos2 at the point that boundary lubrication comes into play. And you don't have to worry about additive dropout.


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Re: Liqui Moly Oil Additive [Re: spasm3] #4923532 11/13/18 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by spasm3
Originally Posted by PimTac
“I wonder why some motor oils have only 20-30ppm and some have 500 to 600 ppm. From a chemical perspective, it's fairly harmless. It's everywhere in the ground, soil etc.“




Different forms of moly just like there are different forms of any mineral.

Trinuclear Moly needs less to accomplish the same effect as the moly disulfide.



+1 If i understand it correctly, the trinuc moly converts to mos2 at the point that boundary lubrication comes into play. And you don't have to worry about additive dropout.


I haven't heard that one. Can anyone verify if this is true? Tri-nuclear moly is just a branched MoDTC which has a completely different molecular structure than MoS2.


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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Originally Posted by spasm3
Originally Posted by PimTac
“I wonder why some motor oils have only 20-30ppm and some have 500 to 600 ppm. From a chemical perspective, it's fairly harmless. It's everywhere in the ground, soil etc.“




Different forms of moly just like there are different forms of any mineral.

Trinuclear Moly needs less to accomplish the same effect as the moly disulfide.



+1 If i understand it correctly, the trinuc moly converts to mos2 at the point that boundary lubrication comes into play. And you don't have to worry about additive dropout.


I haven't heard that one. Can anyone verify if this is true? Tri-nuclear moly is just a branched MoDTC which has a completely different molecular structure than MoS2.




Article just posted by subierubyroo, look at page 41.

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