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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: fdcg27] #4859925 09/04/18 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fdcg27
Putting 500 bhp in a fleet sedan merely makes for a fast version of a fleet sedan. It does not make of it a really entertaining car.
FYI, in case of the Charger, it's not just an engine... suspension, brakes, exhaust, trans programming are all different, which does add to the entertainment factor.


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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: OVERKILL] #4859946 09/04/18 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
I find my Jeep quite fun shrug

That's certainly true, but look at the vast majority of vehicles offered. Of course, everyone has their own opinions, and to some, a Camry, for instance, might be very attractive and interesting, just like I find Caprices and CVs and their brethren interesting, whereas others find them boring old cars. But, I see very few interesting new vehicles out there that I'd want to buy. However, in opposition to the main topic here, I'd say that's applied for a lot of years already.

Given a reasonable handful of cash, there is little I'd want to buy on the market today. That also would apply if you transported me back to last year, the year before, and all the way back to the 1970s. Take me to 1990, and I'll like the Town Car and Caprice. I won't be jumping up and down over the Cavalier, though.


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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: brages] #4859986 09/04/18 07:38 PM
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I enjoy the new Maxima. It's certainly not boring.


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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: Quattro Pete] #4859998 09/04/18 07:49 PM
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you can buy a Hemi Challenge with bright orange paint... Called Go Mango. What's boring about that?

Basically everything else about it.

Really.

So a 485 HP muscle car with a manual transmission, SHAKER HOOD, fat tires, and big Brembos is "boring?" It's available in colors like Lime Crime, Plum Crazy, and Go Mango...

What excites you?
My guess is something that's about 1,500 lbs lighter. smile



Pretty much. cheers

I want handling. Not just grip. Handling. Feel, feedback, response, agility, balance, accessible and transparent limits.

I want the sensation of speed. I'm honest enough with myself to admit that the only reason I'd want to go fast is to feel like I'm going fast. If the car does the opposite, no thanks.

I want razor-sharp throttle response. I want an interior that doesn't feel like it's part of a rental fleet, like it's trying to wow me with gadgets, or like it's trying to shout at me about how much money I've spent. I want at least some semblance of authentic steering feel and feedback. I don't see driving as something to be withstood, distracted from, or insulated from; I see it as something to be actively involved in and enjoyed, and I want my car to elicit and reward that involvement.

The Challenger is almost the exact polar opposite of all of that -- except with a bunch of horsepower and "performance" bits tacked onto it, as though that changes what it is underneath. Lipstick on a pig. Again, no thanks.

Chasing speed is futile anyway. No matter what you buy today, it'll be slow in 2-3 years. But a fun car is always fun.

As for aesthetics... Is it nice to have a good looking car? Absolutely. Is it disheartening to have an ugly one? Sure. But the idea that a neat-looking exterior makes a car "nice" or "fun" is almost unintelligible to me. I basically have no intuitive understanding of cars as status symbols or fashion items. On some level I actually find the idea kind of offensive. Not saying that's right or wrong; it's just me. So no, things like SHAKER HOODs and crazy colors don't mean jack to me. The best-looking boring car on the road is still boring.

A manual transmission is a game changer. But that's not all that relevant here; one of the premises of this thread is automatics replacing manuals, and almost nobody buys a Challenger with a manual anyway.

What's an exciting car? An MX-5. A BRZ. A Cayman or Boxster. A 911. A Civic Si or Type-R. An F430. An RSX Type-S. An E28 5-Series. Even a barebones 128i is better than most cars on the road.

What's not? Most family sedans, most luxury vehicles, all crossovers, and almost all rocket sleds.


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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: d00df00d] #4860020 09/04/18 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by d00df00d
Chasing speed is futile anyway. No matter what you buy today, it'll be slow in 2-3 years. But a fun car is always fun.

It's more fun to drive a slow car quickly, than a fast car slowly.

Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: brages] #4860028 09/04/18 08:14 PM
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I've had a few little "exciting" cars, they aren't for me. I love my fat pig of a Challenger!


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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: d00df00d] #4860061 09/04/18 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by d00df00d

What's an exciting car? An MX-5. A BRZ. A Cayman or Boxster. A 911. A Civic Si or Type-R. An F430. An RSX Type-S. An E28 5-Series. Even a barebones 128i is better than most cars on the road.

What's not? Most family sedans, most luxury vehicles, all crossovers, and almost all rocket sleds.

So, Barbie sized cars?


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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: Nick1994] #4860095 09/04/18 09:38 PM
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Whatever floats your boat. wink


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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: Carmudgeon] #4860135 09/05/18 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Carmudgeon


It's more fun to drive a slow car quickly, than a fast car slowly.


I can enjoy my fast cars even at lower speeds. The bikes on the other hand are an exercise in patience at lower speeds. Fortunately, I know of lots of lightly traveled roads away from civilization, to let 'em run a bit. grin

Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: MCompact] #4860160 09/05/18 04:18 AM
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Yes, my modern DD/track car is just unimaginably dull...


That car is an absolute hoot to drive but looks I know subjective are quite boring. So many great cars fall into that category.

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Everybody has a different version of exciting. Some consumers buy driving machines with absolute boring sedated looks(BMW, Subaru WRX, Hot hatches all) while other people just care about looks and could care less about driving experience and noise/roughness that comes with it.

I personally prefer comfort at this point in life with ample power and decent enough looks.

Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: OVERKILL] #4860168 09/05/18 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
I find my Jeep quite fun shrug



Perhaps that's why they make more than one kind of vehicle.


Every person I know who has been to an SRT Track Experience and driven all the SRT vehicles agrees there is some excitement there. People without one tend to be rather critical...


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Re: Hot take: Modern cars are BORING [Re: SteveSRT8] #4860244 09/05/18 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveSRT8
Every person I know who has been to an SRT Track Experience and driven all the SRT vehicles agrees there is some excitement there.

Anything with power is going to offer "some excitement" on a track, no?

If we're talking about street driving, it's more complicated and there are more tradeoffs involved. It ain't easy to make a car that's engaging and rewarding at low speeds with hazards and responsibilities all around.


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My two favorite cars are at opposite ends of the technology/speed spectrum; my 150 hp Club Sport is dead slow, running the quarter in @16 seconds. However, it is relatively light, very nimble, and it lets you know everything that is going on at the contact passage. I learned a lot about track driving in the Club Sport, as you have to conserve momentum everywhere; one mistake and you'll pay for it for another lap or two. You also have to keep the engine above 4000 rpm to make usable power.

In contrast, my 2 Series can run the quarter in an acceptably quick 13 seconds and the turbo inline six makes maximum torque from 1400-4500 rpm. It's just as much fun, but in a totally different way(for one thing, I no longer have to give 10 point-bys every lap like I had to in the Club Sport). Putting the car in Sport+ mode allows you quite a bit of latitude before the DSC kicks in, and you can disable it altogether if you choose. I especially like the ability to be able to transform the car from laid-back cruiser to track toy with the push of a button.

I've owned the Club Sport since new and intend to leave it to my son to enjoy. I probably won't keep the 2er that long, but right now the only new cars I'd consider to replace it are the M2/M2C and the Giulia Quadrifoglio.


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I learnt to drive to ABS was rare on basic cars and the small ones were still all non-power assisted. They were more fun and you have to learn better driver skills (cadence braking, modulating brake power to avoid obstacles).
What I consider fun then is considered unsafe nowadays.

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