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Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: HKPolice] #4835361 08/09/18 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: HKPolice
You get what you pay for, the oil sheared more than the top shelf stuff.
Indeed, he did get what he paid for--the shearing did nothing to change rates or anything else for that matter. All wear metals are below universal averages, so what else should he expect?


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Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4835929 08/09/18 08:49 PM
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You get what you pay for, the oil sheared more than the top shelf stuff.




This is a UOA of almost the exact same mileage in the same vehicle using Mobil 1 5w20 and it was even thinner.


DOH! crackmeup


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Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: irv] #4836236 08/10/18 08:36 AM
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DOH! crackmeup


Zinggggg

Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4837065 08/11/18 07:17 AM
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What is with the high ZINC and PHOS levels in the original UOA post? Didn't anyone catch that?


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Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: ka9mnx] #4837123 08/11/18 08:27 AM
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What is with the high ZINC and PHOS levels in the original UOA post? Didn't anyone catch that?


So it's not in the 5w20 Virgin samples - of the same time-frame this oil was purchased?


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Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4838502 08/12/18 07:43 PM
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I caught the zinc and phosphorus numbers. Interesting...

Got a good chuckle, reach for the folding money with the name brands and dis on SuperTech... it gets no love even when the numbers tell the story.

Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4839181 08/13/18 02:49 PM
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I'll just be sticking with SuperTech.

Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4839241 08/13/18 03:55 PM
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Great informed choice.

Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4839364 08/13/18 06:25 PM
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DOH! crackmeup


Zinggggg


Funny how you paid for at least 7 UOAs but would rather save $10 per change by choosing supertech oil.

I never said this shearing was BAD for the engine, just that it sheared more than top tier oils even with a shorter interval. You get what you pay for.

Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4839441 08/13/18 07:44 PM
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The UOA’s I see show virtually the same miles on the same engine, SuperTech had slightly better viscosity in both categories, slightly better tbn and better wear numbers.

Who gives a care how many UOA’s he paid for? Supertech ranks better by the numbers I am looking at. Seems folks would rather run a more expensive oil and pay for analysis that shows it doesn’t do any better, in fact not quite as good in this case.

Where did Supertech shear more? Am I missing something?

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Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4839480 08/13/18 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
I'll just be sticking with SuperTech.

Good choice. Once my oil stash is empty - SuperTech synthetic may be my go-to. Seems to perform as good and/or better than "the best of the best", but for much less $$$. Wish SuperTech made 0w40 though...

Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Bonz] #4839750 08/14/18 08:48 AM
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Funny how you paid for at least 7 UOAs but would rather save $10 per change by choosing supertech oil.

I never said this shearing was BAD for the engine, just that it sheared more than top tier oils even with a shorter interval. You get what you pay for.


The money isn't an issue. I do it because I am a technical person and like seeing the results, especially to show people who aren't on forums, or those that are and still abide by the 3,000 mile rule that it isn't necessary and you can run "cheap" oil with great results. Especially when I have a vehicle with over 200,000 miles that has had that treatment the entire time and is still doing great.

To comment on the actual shearing you would need to compare a VOA to the UOA and see the viscosity difference, since we all know to fall within a 5w20 range there is an acceptable margin they can all be within. Some are "thick" 5w20's and some are "thin". Since I could not find a VOA for SuperTech 5w20, only the 5w30, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion. I did however show that Mobil 1 was indeed thinner than the SuperTech at the end of an identical interval since those were the numbers you were going by. The wear metals were fine, so probably little to worry about.

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The UOA’s I see show virtually the same miles on the same engine, SuperTech had slightly better viscosity in both categories, slightly better tbn and better wear numbers.

Who gives a care how many UOA’s he paid for? Supertech ranks better by the numbers I am looking at. Seems folks would rather run a more expensive oil and pay for analysis that shows it doesn’t do any better, in fact not quite as good in this case.

Where did Supertech shear more? Am I missing something?


Unless there is a VOA and UOA of the SuperTech 5w20, which I couldn't find and hope someone else can, I have no idea.

Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4839818 08/14/18 09:51 AM
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Found the source of that high silicon in my UOA. Oops. Chalk it up to a lot of desert driving.

Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4840546 08/15/18 02:46 AM
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Chalk it up to a K&N filter. I wouldn't run one in a very dusty environment. They just don't do as well as a good paper filter and as far as cleaning, you would be better off letting it load up with more dirt as it will filter better. Over cleaning a gauze filter, in the long run, is actually worse for the filtering ability.

http://nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html

Interesting test I ran across googling around.

I might have to rethink my 'more dirt is better' for the oiled filters, seems that might not be the case.

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Re: SuperTech Synthetic 5w20 (6,576 miles) Genesis Coupe 3.8 [Re: Lethal1ty17] #4840719 08/15/18 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17


Found the source of that high silicon in my UOA. Oops. Chalk it up to a lot of desert driving.


I agree with what ctechbob and others have said, Lethal. K&N's are not all they're cracked up to be, and, IMO, should only be used, if desired, in racing applications where people are trying to squeeze every last drop of H/P out of their engines as they can.
Of course, being on the track(s) in most situations, the dust is mostly a non factor. Dailey driving is completely different, imo, especially if one travels down gravel roads , etc.


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