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Re: Ceratec tested looks like a snake oil result. [Re: hatt] #4827425
07/31/18 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: hatt
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Last I saw, that only applied to vehicles designed to run on premium fuel, which many are not. Do you have a link to this new study?
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...as_#Post4826432

So only in vehicles that recommend or require premium gasoline see this benefit. The cost to benefit ratio, as stated in the reference, doesn't pan out, so why would a manufacturer make the marketing error of increasing the cost of ownership?

Re: Ceratec tested looks like a snake oil result. [Re: MotoTribologist] #4827459
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They wouldn't. As I pointed out earlier engineers/manufactures don't do what's best. They do what's best and complies with everything else they have going on. Clearly designing around higher octane increases fuel economy. They don't do it because people don't want cars that get 4% better mileage on 30% more expensive gas. Just because a manufacturer doesn't recommend an additive of some sort has no bearing on the benefits (if any) of that additive.

Re: Ceratec tested looks like a snake oil result. [Re: Kestas] #4847159
08/22/18 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: Kestas
If everyone's car had an increase of 1-2 mpg, then you have single-handedly discovered a way to significantly reduce our nation's dependence on foreign oil... on the level of adding 10% ethanol to our gasoline. I don't think auto manufacturers or the government would ignore such a significant effect, especially in the face of technology presently added to vehicles, such as start-stop, throttle by wire, dual intakes, and hybrid designs.

I think you are experiencing a placebo effect... perhaps driving more gingerly.

Even though I doubt Ceratec increase mpg like their MoS2, oil additive to reduce MPG is also in car manufacturer mind.
That is the reason new car like BMW specify special slick light engine oil for their car to get the amazing MPG.

Re: Ceratec tested looks like a snake oil result. [Re: kr_bitog] #4847300
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Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
Originally Posted By: Kestas
If everyone's car had an increase of 1-2 mpg, then you have single-handedly discovered a way to significantly reduce our nation's dependence on foreign oil... on the level of adding 10% ethanol to our gasoline. I don't think auto manufacturers or the government would ignore such a significant effect, especially in the face of technology presently added to vehicles, such as start-stop, throttle by wire, dual intakes, and hybrid designs.

I think you are experiencing a placebo effect... perhaps driving more gingerly.

Even though I doubt Ceratec increase mpg like their MoS2, oil additive to reduce MPG is also in car manufacturer mind.
That is the reason new car like BMW specify special slick light engine oil for their car to get the amazing MPG.
You could buy some Ceratec and see if it does live up to it's claims instead of just imagining results.


2008 Hyundai Accent 1.6L 5 sp manual hatchback
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Re: Ceratec tested looks like a snake oil result. [Re: SHOZ] #4847321
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Originally Posted By: kr_bitog
Originally Posted By: Kestas
If everyone's car had an increase of 1-2 mpg, then you have single-handedly discovered a way to significantly reduce our nation's dependence on foreign oil... on the level of adding 10% ethanol to our gasoline. I don't think auto manufacturers or the government would ignore such a significant effect, especially in the face of technology presently added to vehicles, such as start-stop, throttle by wire, dual intakes, and hybrid designs.

I think you are experiencing a placebo effect... perhaps driving more gingerly.

Even though I doubt Ceratec increase mpg like their MoS2, oil additive to reduce MPG is also in car manufacturer mind.
That is the reason new car like BMW specify special slick light engine oil for their car to get the amazing MPG.
You could buy some Ceratec and see if it does live up to it's claims instead of just imagining results.


You may check my old thread on Ceratec, I have used Ceratec on a few engines. So far not much on mpg increase like MoS2, and for gasoline engine, I also experience first hand on deposit build up on spark plug. So even though the protection may work, but for non perfect engine, pinging also may be an issue.

Re: Ceratec tested looks like a snake oil result. [Re: tempnexus] #4847326
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If you are getting deposits on the plugs you must be burning oil right? May distort your actual findings as I have no deposits and do get a MPG increase but don't burn oil.

I should pull the plugs on my Accent as it does burn a bit of oil and I am using the Ceratec.


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Re: Ceratec tested looks like a snake oil result. [Re: SHOZ] #4848353
08/23/18 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
If you are getting deposits on the plugs you must be burning oil right? May distort your actual findings as I have no deposits and do get a MPG increase but don't burn oil.

I should pull the plugs on my Accent as it does burn a bit of oil and I am using the Ceratec.


My car was not burning oil initially, it suddenly getting worst after several Kreen treatment. The fuel economy never really drops, just the fuel consumption is getting worst. The Ceratec was put before the fuel consumption increase, and with another Ceratec on quite young engine (20k km), I also do not really notice increase MPG, even though I will notice slight increase of power.

With MoS2, the fuel economy is quite noticeable, and somewhow can feel that my engine is not really hot even during start and stop traffic.

It seems your mpg tacking is not really conclusive on Ceratec mpg improvement, I would say you try MoS2 and track it, you can see more noticeable difference.

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