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#4817265 - 07/18/18 12:48 PM Hub Centering Rings
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Registered: 05/25/05
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Greetings,
I need to order some centering rings in order to reduce the size of the wheels from (Mazda)67.1mm down to (Honda) 64.1mm for the winter wheels & tires to fit correctly. Everything else being equal as these winter wheels are Tire Rack steelies with winter tires in which the tires are also equal in size(195-65-15) and the wheel/hub lugs being 114.3mm.

My question is, are the plastic centering rings OK to use or should I just order aluminum?
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#4817275 - 07/18/18 12:58 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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I have plastic rings for my winter wheels and they seem to be fine, I was worried that they would break or disappear but they are a lot more durable than I had expected.
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#4817278 - 07/18/18 01:01 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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Plastic works fine, as all the hub ring is doing is centering your wheel to the hub bore. Your Lug nuts/Studs see the load from driving.
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#4817320 - 07/18/18 01:33 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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Is the bolt spacing and pattern correct? Centering rings won't deal with that.

I've had several wheels with centering rings and they've all been fine. Just have to remember to check that the ring is still there every time you change those wheels.

I'm pretty sure they just center the wheel so it will be in the correct place when the bolts are tightened down - doubt there's any load on them afterwards.
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#4817325 - 07/18/18 01:40 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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Nobody makes centering rings for steel wheels.
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#4817336 - 07/18/18 01:56 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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I never use them. The lug nuts centre the wheel.

Many 4-bolt Mazda and Honda wheels are interchangeable with identical wheel / lug dimensions.

For my winter tire set(s), I use aluminum wheels on everything except the truck, which gets OEM steel wheels for both the winter and summer sets.
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#4817348 - 07/18/18 02:02 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: mightymousetech]
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Registered: 05/25/05
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Originally Posted By: ecotourist
Is the bolt spacing and pattern correct? Centering rings won't deal with that.

Yes both are 5x114.3mm

Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Nobody makes centering rings for steel wheels.

I have found centering rings that are exactly what I need on ebay and other sites.
OD: 67.1mm - ID: 64.1mm. I am going from steel wheels to steel wheels. Are you saying that these WILL NOT WORK?


Edited by Char Baby (07/18/18 02:04 PM)
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#4817356 - 07/18/18 02:13 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
mightymousetech Offline


Registered: 04/03/17
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Char Baby

I have found centering rings that are exactly what I need on ebay and other sites.
OD: 67.1mm - ID: 64.1mm. I am going from steel wheels to steel wheels. Are you saying that these WILL NOT WORK?


The lip of a steel wheel is different than the lip of an aluminium wheel. Generic fit aluminium wheels (which is what hub rings are for), have a cutout on the hub to allow the ring to fit, and be held against the hub. I have a feeling it will not fit on a steel wheel. In my 20 years as a tech, I have never seen a hub ring on a steel wheel. Better off getting a proper steel wheel that fits properly.
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#4817387 - 07/18/18 02:42 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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If you use aluminum I would grease or never-seize the area of contact. They can be a PIA to get off.
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#4817393 - 07/18/18 02:46 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: mightymousetech]
Char Baby Online   content


Registered: 05/25/05
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Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Originally Posted By: Char Baby

I have found centering rings that are exactly what I need on ebay and other sites.
OD: 67.1mm - ID: 64.1mm. I am going from steel wheels to steel wheels. Are you saying that these WILL NOT WORK?


The lip of a steel wheel is different than the lip of an aluminium wheel. Generic fit aluminium wheels (which is what hub rings are for), have a cutout on the hub to allow the ring to fit, and be held against the hub. I have a feeling it will not fit on a steel wheel. In my 20 years as a tech, I have never seen a hub ring on a steel wheel. Better off getting a proper steel wheel that fits properly.


Of course you haven't seen centering rings on steel wheels. Why would anyone but me try this? smile

I have aftermarket aluminum wheels for another car with proper centering rings and I know about the lip that you're talking about.

I will look into this and post the results. In 46 yrs of working on vehicles, you wouldn't believe the stuff I've tried. Not that I don't have questions like this now & again.
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I have checked the steel wheels that will be wearing the centering rings and they do in fact have the perfect groove for the rings "lip" to fit into and lay flush. I think this will work!

I will post after I order the(PLASTIC) centering rings and test fit them.
For only about $5 for the 4 rings, if it doesn't work, not a big deal. I believe I saw aluminum for ~$10/4



Edited by Char Baby (07/18/18 02:54 PM)
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#4817406 - 07/18/18 03:19 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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Registered: 01/21/17
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Loc: Toronna
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Originally Posted By: Char Baby

I have found centering rings that are exactly what I need on ebay and other sites.
OD: 67.1mm - ID: 64.1mm. I am going from steel wheels to steel wheels. Are you saying that these WILL NOT WORK?


The lip of a steel wheel is different than the lip of an aluminium wheel. Generic fit aluminium wheels (which is what hub rings are for), have a cutout on the hub to allow the ring to fit, and be held against the hub. I have a feeling it will not fit on a steel wheel. In my 20 years as a tech, I have never seen a hub ring on a steel wheel. Better off getting a proper steel wheel that fits properly.


Of course you haven't seen centering rings on steel wheels. Why would anyone but me try this? smile

I have aftermarket aluminum wheels for another car with proper centering rings and I know about the lip that you're talking about.

I will look into this and post the results. In 46 yrs of working on vehicles, you wouldn't believe the stuff I've tried. Not that I don't have questions like this now & again.
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EDIT:
I have checked the steel wheels that will be wearing the centering rings and they do in fact have the perfect groove for the rings "lip" to fit into and lay flush. I think this will work!

I will post after I order the(PLASTIC) centering rings and test fit them.
For only about $5 for the 4 rings, if it doesn't work, not a big deal. I believe I saw aluminum for ~$10/4



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#4817408 - 07/18/18 03:23 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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I'd probably just tighten while lifted in the air and see .. would probably work fine without rings too.
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#4817410 - 07/18/18 03:24 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
mightymousetech Offline


Registered: 04/03/17
Posts: 1480
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: mightymousetech
Originally Posted By: Char Baby

I have found centering rings that are exactly what I need on ebay and other sites.
OD: 67.1mm - ID: 64.1mm. I am going from steel wheels to steel wheels. Are you saying that these WILL NOT WORK?


The lip of a steel wheel is different than the lip of an aluminium wheel. Generic fit aluminium wheels (which is what hub rings are for), have a cutout on the hub to allow the ring to fit, and be held against the hub. I have a feeling it will not fit on a steel wheel. In my 20 years as a tech, I have never seen a hub ring on a steel wheel. Better off getting a proper steel wheel that fits properly.


Of course you haven't seen centering rings on steel wheels. Why would anyone but me try this? smile

I have aftermarket aluminum wheels for another car with proper centering rings and I know about the lip that you're talking about.

I will look into this and post the results. In 46 yrs of working on vehicles, you wouldn't believe the stuff I've tried. Not that I don't have questions like this now & again.
___________________________________________________________________
EDIT:
I have checked the steel wheels that will be wearing the centering rings and they do in fact have the perfect groove for the rings "lip" to fit into and lay flush. I think this will work!

I will post after I order the(PLASTIC) centering rings and test fit them.
For only about $5 for the 4 rings, if it doesn't work, not a big deal. I believe I saw aluminum for ~$10/4



Let us know how it goes!
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#4817417 - 07/18/18 03:44 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: mightymousetech]
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Registered: 05/25/05
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[Quote: mightymousetech]
Let us know how it goes! [Quote]

I will indeed, thank you for the information. It gave me something to think about.
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#4817532 - 07/18/18 06:53 PM Re: Hub Centering Rings [Re: Char Baby]
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Posts: 1006
Loc: iowa
Most of the time, from what I've seen, centering rings are sloppy, and fit like [censored]. So you would be better without. Sure it's best to have a snug fitting wheel, which most are. What is most important, is that the lug holes are dead-nuts on for any wheel. I've ran several aftermarket wheels with no hub centering just fine. It's all about the bolt circle being in the center of the wheel. A lot of times you can tell something is not right when it takes more than one round with a torque wrench to come up to torque. You have a problem if you come back around to check the torque, and they keep on turning. Then you can even end up with a lug nut jammed on the stud, or couple of broken studs. Like what happens when some genius figures that 114.3mm/4.5" and 115mm bolt patterns are interchangeable. People with 120mm and 120.7/[email protected]/4" do the same thing. IT is not right.
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