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Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? #4811231
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Basically my Volvo XC60 has a turbo and I believe it's using oil to cool it. Currently the car is running Synthetic Castrol Edge 5w30 but I want to make certain that the engine and turbo gets some nice tender love and care so I am thinking of adding LiquidMoly MOS2 (half can) and Lubegard Biotech 8oz to the oil. But my question is: Will those additives coke up/ gum up on the turbo blades when the car is turn off while the turbo is still hot? I know that was the issue with conventional oils and synthetics have solved that problem. However, I don't know if those additives mentioned above are with synthetic or conventional base and I don't know if they have a tendency to gum up when expose to high temperatures of the turbo (and not flowing).

Thanks!

And before anyone asks what problem I am trying to fix....I will just say that I want to prolong the engine life and it makes me feel good.

Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4811241
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Why not call or shoot both companies an email? You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, vs. a lot of opinions. I had good luck asking the LG people questions.


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: demarpaint] #4811253
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true. Sounds like a plan...

Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4811255
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Mos2 didnt coke up on either of my turbo cars.


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4811288
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Originally Posted By: tempnexus
Will those additives coke up/ gum up on the turbo blades when the car is turn off while the turbo is still hot?

Turbo blades?
???


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: Lolvoguy] #4811302
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Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
Originally Posted By: tempnexus
Will those additives coke up/ gum up on the turbo blades when the car is turn off while the turbo is still hot?

Turbo blades?
???


Sorry I mean the Turbo Journals but honestly blades might also come into play if there is oil blowby since the turbo uses exhaust gases, so if there is some oil in those gases then it will eventually deposit on hot blades.

Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: demarpaint] #4811388
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Why not call or shoot both companies an email? You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, vs. a lot of opinions. I had good luck asking the LG people questions.


Do you use it demar?


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: Zee09] #4811402
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Originally Posted By: Zee09
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Why not call or shoot both companies an email? You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, vs. a lot of opinions. I had good luck asking the LG people questions.


Do you use it demar?


Yes, I have used Biotech Engine Protectant, and MoS2. After seeing pictures Trav posted from his oil pan drop I stopped using MoS2. In vehicles that sit for long periods of time, a few weeks or more it falls out of suspension and collects in the bottom of the oil pan. His pictures and some discussion he and I had was reason enough to stop using it.


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: demarpaint] #4811423
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I haven't used anything for many years.
I used to and always felt that the volume of product they suggest you use
was too much like LM.

Now, I don't want anything in my oil. Just good solid oil! Thanks.


"If I walked on water, they'd say I couldn't swim."
Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4811442
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Just run oil.

But the additives won't hurt anything.


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: Zee09] #4811446
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Originally Posted By: Zee09
I haven't used anything for many years.
I used to and always felt that the volume of product they suggest you use
was too much like LM.

Now, I don't want anything in my oil. Just good solid oil! Thanks.


Nothing wrong with that!


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4811506
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I would just use a full syn dexos 1 gen 2,HTO-6 oil

Pennzoil platinum ticks all those boxes(and more)is $22.xx at walmart for 5qts and
there is a 10$ rebate--new rebate starting july.

I see no need to water it down with additives.


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: demarpaint] #4811516
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Why not call or shoot both companies an email? You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, vs. a lot of opinions. I had good luck asking the LG people questions.


Do you use it demar?


Yes, I have used Biotech Engine Protectant, and MoS2. After seeing pictures Trav posted from his oil pan drop I stopped using MoS2. In vehicles that sit for long periods of time, a few weeks or more it falls out of suspension and collects in the bottom of the oil pan. His pictures and some discussion he and I had was reason enough to stop using it.


I thought it was Ceratec that fell out of suspension?


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: 123Saab] #4811521
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Originally Posted By: 123Saab
I thought it was Ceratec that fell out of suspension?

I had MOS2 mixed into a bunch of random leftovers that I used for top-up.

At the end of the leftovers, it looked like all the MOS2 was at the bottom of the jug. I shook it before every use.


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: demarpaint] #4811529
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Why not call or shoot both companies an email? You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, vs. a lot of opinions. I had good luck asking the LG people questions.


Do you use it demar?


Yes, I have used Biotech Engine Protectant, and MoS2. After seeing pictures Trav posted from his oil pan drop I stopped using MoS2. In vehicles that sit for long periods of time, a few weeks or more it falls out of suspension and collects in the bottom of the oil pan. His pictures and some discussion he and I had was reason enough to stop using it.


Can we get a link to that discussion?


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4811545
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Biotech is ester-based, and yes, Lubegard was very responsive (as much as can be expected without divulging secrets) when I contacted them.

I have a VOA of Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant (identical to Biotech) in the VOA section. LG confirms the formulae are identical in emails in the thread.

Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: Rand] #4811555
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Originally Posted By: Rand
I would just use a full syn dexos 1 gen 2,HTO-6 oil

Pennzoil platinum ticks all those boxes(and more)is $22.xx at walmart for 5qts and
there is a 10$ rebate--new rebate starting july.

I see no need to water it down with additives.


Agreed!


"If I walked on water, they'd say I couldn't swim."
Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: 123Saab] #4811579
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Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Why not call or shoot both companies an email? You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, vs. a lot of opinions. I had good luck asking the LG people questions.


Do you use it demar?


Yes, I have used Biotech Engine Protectant, and MoS2. After seeing pictures Trav posted from his oil pan drop I stopped using MoS2. In vehicles that sit for long periods of time, a few weeks or more it falls out of suspension and collects in the bottom of the oil pan. His pictures and some discussion he and I had was reason enough to stop using it.


I thought it was Ceratec that fell out of suspension?


Both for Trav. Ceratec in an air compressor motor and MoS2 in his car engine.


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: turtlevette] #4811581
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Why not call or shoot both companies an email? You'll get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, vs. a lot of opinions. I had good luck asking the LG people questions.


Do you use it demar?


Yes, I have used Biotech Engine Protectant, and MoS2. After seeing pictures Trav posted from his oil pan drop I stopped using MoS2. In vehicles that sit for long periods of time, a few weeks or more it falls out of suspension and collects in the bottom of the oil pan. His pictures and some discussion he and I had was reason enough to stop using it.


Can we get a link to that discussion?


I'll shoot him a message. Maybe he has it book marked.


God Bless Our Troops

Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4811603
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Contacted both companies will post response once I get it.

Thank you all

Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: Zee09] #4811635
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Originally Posted By: Zee09
Now, I don't want anything in my oil. Just good solid oil! Thanks.


I prefer liquid oils for my vehicles, personally.


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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: turtlevette] #4811824
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette

Can we get a link to that discussion?


I found it: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...lat/fpart/8/q/1

Here's the picture of the oil pan, and his observations:

Originally Posted By: Trav
I used Ceratec in a compressor not an engine that was MoS2. I could see the Ceratec in the sight glass so I pulled the side cover and cleaned it out and changed the oil.
The stuff in the oil pan I found when I changed the rusted pan otherwise I would have had no idea it had fallen out.

The greenish grey stuff is MoS2 and no it did not mix back into the oil when the engine ran, the engine ran 2 hrs before the pan drop, the oil was still warm. The chunks are pieces of gasket from the tube that got knocked in taking it off.




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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4813213
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Below you will find the answers regarding this topic from the respective companies mentioned in this thread.

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thank you very much for contacting us and your interest in our LIQUI MOLY products. 

The MoS2 particles in our MoS2 Anti-Friction Engine Treatment are temperature resistant up to more than 800°F - so much more temperature resistant than any motor oil and its additives is. 
Deposits in the oil supply lines of / in the turbo charger is a common problem, caused often by the use of not suitable motor oils and / or stop-start systems. 

To avoid deposdits inside the oil circle we recommend you to use #LM2037 Pro-Line Engine Flush before the oil change. Carbon deposits inside the motor oil system (e.g. piston ring zone and oil supply lines to the turbo charger) are dissolved and held in suspense so that they´ll be drained out with the used oil. The engine is cleaned up and ready for the fresh oil which stays fresh longer now. The life of the turbo is extended and the oil consumption reduced to the maximum. We recommend to do a Engine Flush every approx. 20K miles. 
  
Engine Flush is just a "soap" that softens existing deposits inside the oil system and keeps the softened deposits in the oil in a solution. When draining out the used oil you also drain out the deposits. Now the engine is free of disturbing deposits and ready for the fresh oil. 

- Add #LM20002 Cera Tec into the fresh oil (dosage approx. 6-7% of the total oil volume). Cera Tec is our latest formulation for maximum engine protection - proven in high performance engines worldwide. 
Once added into the motor oil the chemical surface protection lasts up to 30K miles. So we recommend to add it at every 2nd or 3rd oil change and you can interchange with our #LM2009 MoS2 Anti-Friction Engine Treatment which is a solid lubricant which mainly reduces the friction force between the moving parts inside the engine. 

Please let us know the exact vehicle data of your Volvo (engine / year / total mileage) to recommend you the suitable LIQUI MOLY motor oil, too. 

Please find the product and application information. 



We hope we could help you with our information. Should you have further questions regarding our products we would be very pleased to get contacted from you again. 

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Lubegard Bio-Tech Engine Oil Protectant is synthetic and fully compatible
with Castrol Edge Synthetic 5w30. Lubegard was designed specifically for
high temperature applications such as turbos with oil coking being an issue.
You will also enjoy the enhanced lubricity that tends to smooth out idle and
in general quiet down the engine. Generally, coking can be reduced by
allowing the turbo to cool at bit by idling for a minute before shutting
down the engine. It's been a standard procedure with turbo diesel
applications for the last 20 years and will work well for gasoline engines
with turbos too.
Please let me know if I can do anything else.
Best regards,

Pat Burrow
Technical Director 
Stellar Automotive Group | International Lubricants Inc.
Seattle, WA 
Office: (206) 762-5343 x 14
Toll Free: (800) 333-5823
www.Stellargroupinc.com www.Lubegard.com      
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Re: Would MOS2 or Lubegard Biotech coke up on Turbo? [Re: tempnexus] #4823536
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By definition, coke is a carbon based deposit. Mineral oils, PAOs and esters can coke. MoS2 contains no carbon. It might form a deposit but not coke.

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