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Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: klt1986] #4811275
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My neighbor has a new Forester, (leased). The other day I was walking the dog behind her when she started it. A nice little puff of white smoke came out of the exhaust. I don't think it has 3,000 miles on it.

Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: klt1986] #4811305
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My parents have the closely related much more popular 2015 Outback. They love it. They used to replace their 2000 Forester that was relatively trouble free over its 190k.

Not a single issue in 40k miles and the CVT works perfectly IMHO and no oil burning.

I would only consider experience of Subaru in last 8 years not before that. A really different engine/transmission and really company in terms of volume etc.

Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: klt1986] #4811325
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All I would add is some shops don't like Subaru so I would check for local shops that specialize on them, preferably an independent so you have a choice other than the dealer alone. People who have access to a good independent seem to be the most happy with quality / reliability.


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Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: billt460] #4811327
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Originally Posted By: billt460
My neighbor has a new Forester, (leased). The other day I was walking the dog behind her when she started it. A nice little puff of white smoke came out of the exhaust. I don't think it has 3,000 miles on it.


White smoke is not oil. Can be water from condensation in the cat, or coolant but if coolant it won't just stop. Happens on all makes of vehicles on startup. Normal.


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Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: klt1986] #4811350
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bunches of subaru haters on bitog so take any advice with "lots of" salt.

I've had 5 subarus the only one that had major work is the 2013 outback which got new rings.. then a new short block for oil burning.. and a couple other goof items such as a passenger seat occupancy sensor, an oil level sender(they broke it putting in short block)

Its now consumes about 1qt first 3500 miles then 1qt next 2500 miles in its 6000mile oci.

its also a manual transmission that spends lots of time high in the rpm range.. which is the worst case scenario (causes most oil consumption)
its more annoying than harmful IMO.

The cvt issues were very hit or miss.. mostly no one had issues.. but of course out of 10000 people who buy a car the 10 who had issues make more noise(internet echo chamber) than the other 9990 people.


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Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: Johnny2Bad] #4811367
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Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
Originally Posted By: billt460
My neighbor has a new Forester, (leased). The other day I was walking the dog behind her when she started it. A nice little puff of white smoke came out of the exhaust. I don't think it has 3,000 miles on it.


White smoke is not oil. Can be water from condensation in the cat, or coolant but if coolant it won't just stop. Happens on all makes of vehicles on startup. Normal.


It's oil. I could smell it.

Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: klt1986] #4811393
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Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: klt1986] #4811489
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Why does Subaru have so many piston ring / oil burning related problems?

Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: billt460] #4811524
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Why does Subaru have so many piston ring / oil burning related problems?


Many manufacturers had issues.. Why did GM have engines eating pistons? Honda VCM, Honda transmissions a few years ago..

The answer is the search for efficiency and MPG.

extra low friction rings and horizontal cylinder bores are a little bit different than your regular inline-4 as well.

the problem is not every vehicle..cough ford focus automatic transmissions I'm looking at you..

Honestly I'd take burning 1qt of oil in an OCI(FB25) over head gasket problems(ej series) and a dash of 15-20% better mpg.

Its not that hard to add oil.. the major issue was no oil level sensor until 2014 in foresters.


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Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: billt460] #4811526
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Why does Subaru have so many piston ring / oil burning related problems?

Low-tension rings and CAFE-mandated 0W-20 oil. I'm running M1 5W-20 in a friend's '12 Forester to see if that solves his oil drinking.

The funny part is his mom's car, bought the same day as his isn't using that much oil but I'm keeping tabs.

Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: klt1986] #4811539
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Why is this thread so wide? Is it just me?

I have to zoom in and scroll left to right a significant mount to read posts in this thread. I see that this happens every so often. Glitch?


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Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: billt460] #4811543
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
Originally Posted By: billt460
My neighbor has a new Forester, (leased). The other day I was walking the dog behind her when she started it. A nice little puff of white smoke came out of the exhaust. I don't think it has 3,000 miles on it.


White smoke is not oil. Can be water from condensation in the cat, or coolant but if coolant it won't just stop. Happens on all makes of vehicles on startup. Normal.


It's oil. I could smell it.


What did it smell like?

I would think that it would be tough to smell oil over the cold-start fuel enrichment, unless you had your face right at the tailpipe.


'14 Forester XT FA20DIT (Cobb Stage 1)
Edge 0W-40 + FU filter (64,774 miles)
'15 Legacy FB25 (OEM Stage, uh, neg. 7?)
Edge 0W-20 + FU filter (40,803 miles)
Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: gathermewool] #4811645
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Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Why is this thread so wide? Is it just me?

I have to zoom in and scroll left to right a significant mount to read posts in this thread. I see that this happens every so often. Glitch?


Because of the huge links in the below post from page 1(links deleted). I notified the mods and asked them to shorten them.

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
New one looks like a Ford Taurus.

I'd be in one if it came with a 6 speed MT.

Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: racin4ds] #4811718
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Originally Posted By: racin4ds
I hate to break it to ya but Being from Tennessee and VA doesn't mean it won't be a rust bucket! I just moved from VA and I can assure you they heavily use the brine solutions on the roads in winter which destroys vehicles twice as fast as standard road salt!

Subaru's seem very prone to rust anyway but I doubt a 2015 is too bad yet...

Anyway, we have any 08 Legacy GT and love it, awesome little car with plenty of pep, but be warned, maintenance on them costs a good bit more than your average Honda or Toyota. I put Subaru in with VW/Audi on maintenance costs but much more reliable!



I'm just going by the rust free condition my vehicles are in and the condition my friends vehicles are in. I even had a 99 Tacoma that I sold to my brother in law a few years back that to this day is still rust free.....even the frame! grin

Anyway, thanks for the replies and opinions. I think we are going to pass on the Legacy for now. Will probably end up getting a new one in a couple years.

Last edited by klt1986; 07/11/18 07:07 PM.

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Re: 2015 Subaru Legacy: Reliability? [Re: KCJeep] #4811927
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Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Originally Posted By: racin4ds


Anyway, we have any 08 Legacy GT and love it, awesome little car with plenty of pep, but be warned, maintenance on them costs a good bit more than your average Honda or Toyota. I put Subaru in with VW/Audi on maintenance costs but much more less reliable!



Fixed it for ya! laugh

Seriously not surprised you are happy with your 08, but Subaru quality seems to have gone down the toilet. We have 5 or maybe 6 at work (well did have) all 16's and 17's, and they have been so problematic we already traded two off at 30k miles when we originally planned to keep them for 100k.


What problems were there with the Subarus at your work?


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