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Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket #4809663
07/09/18 08:16 PM
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An oil change was underway... removing a Walmart Ecore, the seal was not crimped to the filter, the seal just pressed into the filter groove, stuck to engine upon removal, double gasketed new filter and lost 4 quarts of oil just like that....

Close call and a lesson learned. If that filter gasket was crimped to the can it would have stayed on the old filter.... No doubt the price of a cheap filter.

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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809668
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Rookie mistake. I wouldn't blame the filter.


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809670
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Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
An oil change was underway... removing a Walmart Ecore, the seal was not crimped to the filter, the seal just pressed into the filter groove, stuck to engine upon removal, double gasketed new filter and lost 4 quarts of oil just like that....

Close call and a lesson learned. If that filter gasket was crimped to the can it would have stayed on the old filter.... No doubt the price of a cheap filter.

It probably had more to do with old eyes than it did with the filter, it's ok to make mistakes but to blame the filter because he double gasketed it? Who do you think you are fooling on this board?


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809671
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Having owned a shop, it happened from time to time with even Wix, Baldwin and other name brand filters.

I always double check the filter mount to make sure it's clean.


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809672
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Where is the picture of the uncrimped sealing ring? Usually a well loved brand has been doing this leave the gasket behind act the most. Dad almost lost his engine because of Dad.

Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809674
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I've forgotten to make sure the old gasket came off before. I always make sure the surface is clean before I put the new filter on. Maybe I'll notice then if it ever happens. You're never too old to make a mistake.


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809689
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Rookie move not checking the gasket area.


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809691
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No, sounds like Dad needs to be a little more careful checking that the old seal comes away cleanly with the old filter

Doesn't sound like an Ecore problem, could happen with any filter


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809700
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You have the filter in your hand. you're holding it up right so as not to spill. any. In that split second you notice whether the gasket is there. It is that ingrained in me from decades of 3K OCIs. Practice makes perfect. grin2


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: michaelluscher] #4809701
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Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
No, sounds like Dad needs to be a little more careful checking that the old seal comes away cleanly with the old filter

Doesn't sound like an Ecore problem, could happen with any filter


Lots to do with the mating surface my 2007 Chrysler 300 did it on a couple brands and my 2017 Tahoe has now done it on both an AC Delco and Fram Ultra it sticks so bad you have to wrench off the gasket and then pull the gasket
They were coated with oil
Try a super grease maybe ?

Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809706
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End-user error.


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809710
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Yep, standard rookie mistake. It's in all the oil change manuals. Has nothing to do with the particular oil filter. Always make sure the old gasket came off with the filter. Been true way for decades.

Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809713
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Ive had that happen with quite a few filters. Most filters have an o ring that you can remove without much force. Always check the filter to make sure the o ring came off with it and check your block when wiping it down.


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809717
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This used to happen to me a lot with the Wally World Super Tech filters. No bash, I've had a 2002 Explorer at 235k to this day using that same filter and Super Tech synthetic 5-30 5k changes. It still happens even with higher quality filters to me. I always check!!


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Re: Dad almost lost a engine from a Double Gasket [Re: Vern_in_IL] #4809720
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I use my muzzleloader's Gorilla Grease on my oil filter gaskets. I suppose Hoppes, Outers and Tetra might work good also.


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