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#4808832 - 07/09/18 07:06 AM 2 stroke engine oil comparison
juicer Offline


Registered: 07/06/18
Posts: 2
Loc: CT
I have a variety of small garden power tools. RedMax leaf blower, Stihl chainsaw and McCullough line trimmer.
In the past I used Echo Power Blend X 2 stroke engine oil, pure synthetic with stabilizers. Meets or exceeds ISO-EGD & JASO FD.
I am curious if Walmart brand Super Tech Universal 2-cycle Engine Oil or Super Tech Outboard TC-W3 2-cycle is a reasonable substitution.
Each of Super Tech oils specify suitable for lawn mowers. line trimmers and chain saws.

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#4808839 - 07/09/18 07:14 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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No! The outboard oil is completely wrong for your application. Stick with the echo oil or one comparable.
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#4808840 - 07/09/18 07:15 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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no. first off you dont want tc-w3 in air powered OPE.
If you read the find print they will usually say "recommended for all equipment requiring api tc-w3" as if chainsaws say that(never).

the other oil is api TC which is a less stringent spec than JASO FD
it would be ok in a pinch but it is not as good.

Just get echo(blend or syn) from home depot if you want something easy to find.

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#4808859 - 07/09/18 07:50 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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OK thanks to all for the info and speedy response.
Will stick with Echo as suggested.

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#4808870 - 07/09/18 08:03 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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You can find comparable oil cheaper. I'm running Lucas in my ope at the moment. Its el-gd whatever rated and was $9/qt @ oeileys
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#4808880 - 07/09/18 08:13 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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TC-W3 spec is for ashless, water cooled outboard engines. NOT air cooled OPE.

It works great in low doses in your diesel truck or even in your gasoline vehicle but isn't so good for OPE. ECHO oil is pretty good stuff as is the STIHL syn variety.
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#4808922 - 07/09/18 09:01 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: racin4ds]
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Walmart- https://www.walmart.com/ip/VP-Small-Engi...13=&veh=sem

VP 2 cycle oil

Its in the Lawn and Garden Section.

JASO-FD full synthetic..good stuff.

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#4808948 - 07/09/18 09:36 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
skyactiv Offline


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Yep. The Lawn and Garden section at Walmart has more 2-stroke oils to choose from than in the Automotive section.
The cheapest FD rated oil is Poulan Pro in the small 50:1 bottles at just under $1.50 each.
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#4808997 - 07/09/18 10:17 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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Registered: 07/13/12
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Loc: Michigan
Find a BITOG bud who's already bought the Amsoil (or is it AMSOIL?) discount, and get a quart of Saber Professional for $13 or so. Use half as much (I've done 80:1 and 100:1 in my snowblower and old-school moped, and they've been fine with it for a couple of years). I'm not an Amsoil marketer, but the stuff seems pretty good. Flame if you must.

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#4809002 - 07/09/18 10:21 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: racin4ds]
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Registered: 04/15/10
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Originally Posted By: racin4ds
TC-W3 spec is for ashless, water cooled outboard engines. NOT air cooled OPE.

It works great in low doses in your diesel truck or even in your gasoline vehicle but isn't so good for OPE. ECHO oil is pretty good stuff as is the STIHL syn variety.


Nope, don't do that. TC-W3 has no business being in the fuel system of your gasoline or diesel truck. If you want to use additives, use the ones specified for diesel trucks or gasoline cars. TC-W3 is meant for 2 stroke Marine engines which have far less complexity and emissions equipment compared to road vehicles.
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#4809062 - 07/09/18 11:10 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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Registered: 01/20/17
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Loc: NJ
Wal-Mart's SuperTech is fine but you should be running synthetic.

As stated, TC-W3 is used for water cooled outboard motors, but also Toro snowblowers. I was told also LawnBoy mowers but not sure.

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#4809095 - 07/09/18 11:37 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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Registered: 12/16/06
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From my understanding TC is the proper rating for air cooled or extreme conditions. You will notice that jet Skis and Performance watercraft also have a TC rating, not TCW3 and then that is graded by the FB,FC and FD with FD being the highest grade.


Edited by Panzerman (07/09/18 11:38 AM)
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#4809101 - 07/09/18 11:41 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: Chris142]
Dave1027 Offline


Registered: 05/02/18
Posts: 63
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Chris142
No! The outboard oil is completely wrong for your application. Stick with the echo oil or one comparable.


Why not? I've been using TCW3 in my weed eater forever. Works perfect and has lasted about 20 years that way.

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#4809104 - 07/09/18 11:42 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: juicer]
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Also I personally would Never run a 80 or 100 to 1 ratio. I don't even run 50:1 in my Echo power equipment. I run 32:1 in all the lawn equipment including the Lawnboys and chainsaws.
I have never had any two stroke issues and my equipment lasts. My one lawnboy is in the 80s. My two I use every week are 1996. More oil is better.
Those lean ratios are all about the EPA and meeting pollution requirements. Want it to last, let it smoke.


Edited by Panzerman (07/09/18 11:43 AM)
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#4809124 - 07/09/18 11:53 AM Re: 2 stroke engine oil comparison [Re: Panzerman]
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Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Also I personally would Never run a 80 or 100 to 1 ratio. I don't even run 50:1 in my Echo power equipment. I run 32:1 in all the lawn equipment including the Lawnboys and chainsaws.
I have never had any two stroke issues and my equipment lasts. My one lawnboy is in the 80s. My two I use every week are 1996. More oil is better.
Those lean ratios are all about the EPA and meeting pollution requirements. Want it to last, let it smoke.


Not quite. Oil technology is far superior to the 1980s or even 10 years ago. I have many customers who use 2-stroke equipment commercially every day with zero oil-related issues on 50:1. Many use the Echo, Stihl, Husqvarna, and even the cheap box store branded 50:1 oils with no problems. A lot of newer engines have non-adjustable carburetors as well, so if you run a richer oil mix the engine won't have as much power and may even stumble upon throttling up if running 32:1.
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