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Filter changes between oil changes #4808520
07/08/18 04:34 PM
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DesertRatR Offline OP
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I have a new '18 Tacoma. Toyota recommends 10K oil/filter change intervals. That filter is pretty small. I am wondering if changing the filter only at 5K intervals and oil as recommended (Toyota uses full synthetic in their Gen3 Tacos) is better overall for engine life.

Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4808524
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Sure why not.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4808525
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Wouldn't hurt a thing. But I would change everything at 5K. Just me.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4808526
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I'll throw a curve!
Change both the oil and filter at 7.5K.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4808533
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Originally Posted By: DesertRatR
(Toyota uses full synthetic in their Gen3 Tacos) is better overall for engine life.
For longer oil change intervals.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4808573
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Originally Posted By: DesertRatR
... Toyota recommends 10K oil/filter change intervals. ... I am wondering if changing the filter only at 5K intervals and oil as recommended ... is better overall for engine life.
Very unlikely, if the engine is in good shape, because the filter will be nowhere near full in 10k. To be sure, check out one when it comes off. Changing the oil at 5K would be more likely to help.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: CR94] #4808579
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Originally Posted By: CR94
Originally Posted By: DesertRatR
... Toyota recommends 10K oil/filter change intervals. ... I am wondering if changing the filter only at 5K intervals and oil as recommended ... is better overall for engine life.
Very unlikely, if the engine is in good shape, because the filter will be nowhere near full in 10k. To be sure, check out one when it comes off. Changing the oil at 5K would be more likely to help.


+1

Youre way over thinking this, OP! Dont waste your time/money with an early filter change. Makes no sense.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: gathermewool] #4808591
07/08/18 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Originally Posted By: CR94
Originally Posted By: DesertRatR
... Toyota recommends 10K oil/filter change intervals. ... I am wondering if changing the filter only at 5K intervals and oil as recommended ... is better overall for engine life.
Very unlikely, if the engine is in good shape, because the filter will be nowhere near full in 10k. To be sure, check out one when it comes off. Changing the oil at 5K would be more likely to help.


+1

Youre way over thinking this, OP! Dont waste your time/money with an early filter change. Makes no sense.


This is BITOG. Many things make no sense. You are right....but many, many on here are OCD-with oil/filter changes. Besides-do you see the many threads where the posters on here know more than the engineers that design the vehicles?

Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: CKN] #4808630
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Originally Posted By: CKN
Besides-do you see the many threads where the posters on here know more than the engineers that design the vehicles?

I would gather that some posters here would be more trusting of OEM maintenance intervals if engineers were writing the manuals, and not marketing people hand in hand with actuaries.

Generally, I place pretty good faith in OEM maintenance recommendations, but there are some outliers out there, and there's nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism from time to time. The old Audi called for a 12,500 km severe service interval on SJ conventional? Right.... The G37 calls for a severe service interval of 3750 miles on 5w-30 conventional, but its turbocharged replacement calls for a 10,000 mile OCI on 5w-30 conventional? Let's just say I won't be buying a used one without complete service records. wink


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4808687
07/08/18 08:23 PM
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Toyota makes really good cartridge filters. Seen many used for 10k miles that look the same as it went in. I'd just run 10k OCIs on both oil and filter.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: deven] #4808736
07/08/18 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: deven
Toyota makes really good cartridge filters. Seen many used for 10k miles that look the same as it went in. ...
My Toyota filter that I ran used about 17.5k miles certainly looked like that, after absorbing most of the oil out of it. There was practically nothing to see in it. The Purolator I ran about 9.5k looked almost as good, except more black for some reason.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4808769
07/09/18 02:00 AM
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Depends. If it's a new style cartridge filter without the can I'd say no. When you remove the filter everyting drains into the sump. So everything gets filtered again by the new filter.

Old style can, yeah change. Toyota motor though, I doubt anything is going to be an issue for 10k. The filter is just there just in case lol

New car, do it a favor and don't wait till 10k on factory fill. Change around 1k and maybe once more at 5k if you're anal.

Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4808776
07/09/18 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: DesertRatR
I have a new '18 Tacoma. Toyota recommends 10K oil/filter change intervals. That filter is pretty small. I am wondering if changing the filter only at 5K intervals and oil as recommended (Toyota uses full synthetic in their Gen3 Tacos) is better overall for engine life.

An engine would have to have issues to load up a filter at that mileage. I would change them both together at the specified mileage.


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Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: gathermewool] #4808799
07/09/18 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: gathermewool
.Youre way over thinking this, OP! Dont waste your time/money with an early filter change.....

This. Toyota knows the holding capacity of it's filters and designs AND warrants them for 'at least' the OM recommended oci/fci. Any significant reduction in engine wear with early filter change, highly unlikely. Also a waste of resources imo.

Use the time you'd waste on early filter change to do something constructive.

Re: Filter changes between oil changes [Re: DesertRatR] #4809699
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on my 2001 1.8T jetta 200,000 at trade time while working i changed filter at 5,000 on a 10,000 change, now retired i change my filters @ 6 months on a yearly schedule running from 5 to 10 thou a year. NORIA an oil specialist noted a better filtering more important than the best oil!!!

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