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A year and 15K with the '17 Forester #4807758
07/07/18 02:18 PM
07/07/18 02:18 PM
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fdcg27 Offline OP
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We bought our newer Forester on July 8, 2017. It hit 15,000 yesterday on my wife's commute.
This car drives and rides pretty much like our 2009 Forester, which is a good thing. It offers about the same outward vision as well, also a good thing. The seats are comfortable even if the entire interior is a little plain.
The enormous glass sunroof is a nice feature to us although not everyone would agree.
The center display can be scrolled through to deliver all sorts on interesting information, like oil temperature and torque split.
These cars have a very compliant ride and handle large road irregularities with aplomb. The AWD is seamless and transparent in operation and the car handles treacherous winter conditions with ease even on the OEM Geolanders that many owners like to hate. While this is in no way a sporty car, the steering is responsive and the lack of understeer is appreciated, especially as compared to my '12 Accord with the Subie having a better ride as well. The Accord is quieter, though.
The newer chain driven OHC engine has the same displacement and the same output as the old timing belt one in the '09.
It feels stronger in typical use and fuel economy is at least 20% better in a package of similar size and weight. I can only credit the CVT for that. Fuel consumption has average slightly above 30 mpg on my wife's brutal commute down I-75. Traffic is always awful but gets worse during rush hour and it is a drive I'm happy not to make.
I've changed the engine oil twice thus far and have seen no oil consumption. Subaru did back the recommended OCI down to 6K from the 7.5K originally recommended for this engine and there is a low oil idiot light on the dash. Some of these engines have exhibited high oil consumption, with the same being true of the K24 in my Accord, although mine doesn't use any appreciable amount. I wonder whether Subaru was concerned about excessive timing chain wear using 0W-20 on the originally recommended drain interval?
Anyway, the Forester has performed exactly as we had expected when we bought it. It has had no problems of any kind and does make a good and comfortable daily driver that should also protect its occupants fairly well in a collision, more so than appears to be the case with most CUVs of similar size.
I'd recommend this car to anyone needing something in this size range and any previous Subie owner would feel at home in one of these cars.
We paid around $26K for this Premium Package car, a nice discount off list and not too much over dealer invoice. The kind of killer deal that we got on the Accord was not to be had as the Forester remains in high demand and is supply constrained as a Japanese built model. You can get a better deal on the Indiana built Outback if that would suit you.
Our '09 Forester now has around 105K and will hit ten years in service next month, when I'll give a little rundown of how it's held up over the years.


18 Accord Hybrid FF
17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807774
07/07/18 02:38 PM
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Nice review. Thanks.


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Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807779
07/07/18 02:49 PM
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Excellent review Subaru is a fine machine I miss my 2010 impreza.


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Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807788
07/07/18 03:00 PM
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I would expect a Love fest COMING FROM ANY Subaru owner. It's a culture thing.

Not that the vehicles are not without fault.......

Last edited by CKN; 07/07/18 03:02 PM.
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807813
07/07/18 03:40 PM
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Great report. Thanks for sharing.

The Forester is a excellent vehicle in many ways.


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Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807821
07/07/18 03:49 PM
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The Subaru Forester is a great AWD vehicle for roughly $25k. Rates high by Consumer Reports.

It's not a BMW or Jaguar. But they might be double the price.

For those of us not rich, the Subaru is a great car.


2015 Subaru Forester 2.5 engine/CVT
2015 Ford F250 w/Powerstroke
2016 Subaru Crosstrek CVT (wife's)
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807841
07/07/18 04:17 PM
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New Jersey
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Nice review. I am not a fan but the more info the better.

Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: CKN] #4807867
07/07/18 04:52 PM
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fdcg27 Offline OP
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Well, this was our fourth Subaru purchase and we've had the '09 in the family fleet for nearly ten years, so I think we understand Subarus pretty well.
These cars are not as trouble free to own as the Hondas we've had, and we've had eight of those, but they do have their particular appeal and they are wonderful on those bad winter days when one has either to get to work, which can always be deferred, or to get home, which nobody wants to delay.
The troubles we've had with Subies have been of the minor and cheap variety, although timing belt replacement isn't cheap on the earlier cars, as it wasn't when I had the '09 done last August at around 94K.
I don't think that you'll find a better AWD system at any price point and even absent the need for AWD, these are comfortable, fuel efficient and roomy cars that are not very expensive to buy and that do offer excellent resale when an owner decides to move on.
Subarus do have a bit of a cult following, not necessarily a bad thing.

You posted:

Not that the vehicles are not without fault.......

The double negative used would indicate that you're stating that they are without fault.
Is that what you actually meant?



18 Accord Hybrid FF
17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807876
07/07/18 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
... You posted:

Not that the vehicles are not without fault.......

The double negative used would indicate that you're stating that they are without fault.
Is that what you actually meant?
Not not without looks like a triple negative to me. It's definitely confusing!

Any trouble with the head gasket on the '09?


2011 Toyota Prius now at 94K
1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
1954 Chevrolet retired at 121K
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807879
07/07/18 05:16 PM
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They are great vehicles! My gf got one and I would have bought one as well if I didn't need a truck.


2013 Ram 1500 with a 4.7.

I use 0W-20 year round. I alternate between RP and Amsoil Signature series.
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: CR94] #4807882
07/07/18 05:28 PM
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fdcg27 Offline OP
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To date, the '09 has had neither HG problems nor oil leaks.
It may be that after so many years Subaru had finally figured out a solution to these baked in problems.
The old 2.5 remained an open deck design which is less than optimal with any engine from the standpoint of HG life.
I'd hate to have any sort of overheating episode with one of these engines.
The outcome would almost certainly involve some machining and new head gaskets.
Might as well do a complete timing belt service on reassembly since the parts are pretty cheap.
Kind of looking forward to posting a ten year review of this car and noting that the HG replacements and oil leak repairs that a certain member assured me would be in its future when I did a five year review of it have not come to pass.


18 Accord Hybrid FF
17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807975
07/07/18 08:33 PM
07/07/18 08:33 PM
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Southern VA
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Thanks for the review. We are in the market for another small to midsize suv and the Forester is on our list, along with the Crosstrek and a few others.


Wife: 08 Honda CR-V 4WD, M1 5W-20
Me: 11 Toyota Tundra DC 4WD 5.7L, PP 5W-30
Me Work: 06 Ford Explorer 4WD 4.0L, Pennzoil 5W-30
Son: 14 Toyota Corolla S, M1 AFE 0W-20
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807981
07/07/18 08:41 PM
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Colorado
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Colorado
Thanks for the the review!

I was sold on Subaru since my 1997 Legacy Brighton Wagon. With a set of snow tires, that thing was an absolute beast here in Colorado. Snowboarding trips were more fun just for the 1.5 hour commute up the hill. The wife is really enjoying her 2018 OB Premium and we just rolled 13K after 7 months. I would love to try the Forester XT one of these days.


2016 Nissan Versa S 1.6L
2018 Subaru Outback 2.5i
2018 Ford F350 6.2L

Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807990
07/07/18 08:51 PM
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Great review. Thanks for posting. Send us some tidbits on your oil temp such as where does it sit, does it change with ambient temps, hills etc. smile


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: A year and 15K with the '17 Forester [Re: fdcg27] #4807992
07/07/18 08:58 PM
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Nice review, it's a great thing when the car suits your needs well. We tried to like a new Forester in '14 but the interior/dash looked 10 years old and more importantly the primary driver hated the CVT. Tried an Outback as well and we both immediately didn't care for the seats. We drove the '14 RAV4, she liked, game over. Maybe next time.


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