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SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI #4805959
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I need to do a quicky oil change in the MG. I'll be doing some engine work in September, so will be draining again then and consequently want to put the cheapest stuff that will actually be safe in there.

With temperatures as hot as they are now, and as hot as they usually stay through September in Kentucky, I'm thinking about dumping in SAE 30 or SAE40 rather than the normal 20W-50.

Any thoughts on doing that? Of course, I can just toss Supertech 20W-50 in it, but if a straight weight will give me as good if not better protection in 80ļ+ ambient temperatures, I'll do it.


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1970 MG MGB Roadster-Valvoline VR-1 20W-50
Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4805967
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Delo 400 SAE40. Nothing better in the heat.

Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4805968
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If the car normally wants 20W-50, I can't imagine it'd do better on SAE 30 or SAE 40.

Is 20W-50 what the car calls for?


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Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: d00df00d] #4805973
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
If the car normally wants 20W-50, I can't imagine it'd do better on SAE 30 or SAE 40.

Is 20W-50 what the car calls for?


Yes, 20W-50 is the specified grade, with SAE 30 listed as an alternate.


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Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4805992
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Originally Posted By: bunnspecial
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
If the car normally wants 20W-50, I can't imagine it'd do better on SAE 30 or SAE 40.

Is 20W-50 what the car calls for?


Yes, 20W-50 is the specified grade, with SAE 30 listed as an alternate.

Ah, alright. In that case, I'm inclined to think it'd be okay to run SAE 30 or SAE 40 if you want, and just take it easy on hot days until you can change the oil again.


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Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4806022
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Either would be a great choice. If I had to choose I would use the SAE 30 or 40.

Why? Any monograde would have less modifiers than any multi grade. More "pure" in a manner of speaking, and thats benefical if the modifiers are not needed.

Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4806030
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As hot as it's been lately, 50 or 60 would be fine. Although we might make it below 60F this weekend.


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Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4806039
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Per Doug Hillary, the 20W50 was developed for the shared gearboxes in the Mini and later derivatives, resisting the shear that these experienced, not necessarily because the engine proper needed 20W50.

It then became the "standard".

SAE30 would be fine, as long as it's a decent additive package (i.e. not any of those on the PQIA website) HTHS over 3.5 is sufficiently ample.

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Australians certainly know about heat!



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Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4806394
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Many 'B' owners run with one of the big three 15w-40's.

North American cars did come with an oil cooler as OE.

How is your oil pressure?

Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4806406
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No major city in Australia is hotter than Houston Texas. The hottest city in Australia is Darwin, where it is almost 90 degrees year round but rarely hits 100 degrees. Sydney rarely gets above 90 degrees. I guess consistently hot is one way of measuring hot weather, and maximum temperature is another. source : Weatherspark.com

You want hot? Itís 112 F in Phoenix tommorow. banana

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If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: expat] #4806418
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Originally Posted By: expat
North American cars did come with an oil cooler as OE.


The MGB had an oil cooler in New Zealand too...the B Series engine in the rest of the BMC range didn't. The MGB is hardly more stressed out in normal use than a Morris Oxford.


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Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: Shannow] #4806434
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Per Doug Hillary, the 20W50 was developed for the shared gearboxes in the Mini and later derivatives, resisting the shear that these experienced, not necessarily because the engine proper needed 20W50.

It then became the "standard".

SAE30 would be fine, as long as it's a decent additive package (i.e. not any of those on the PQIA website) HTHS over 3.5 is sufficiently ample.


Nowadays 20w50 (as I was told cca 3weeks ago in another thread) are pretty weak sauces compared to 70's - 90's 20w50...

So what do you suggest? API SG (of "that" era) had peak ZDDP levels...but is "castrated" nowadays...

API SL?

My pick (because of the shared sump) would be any full saps Rimula/Rotella HDEO (JASO MA) or any Tractor STOU oil with GL4 rating...

20w50 or no 20w50...well I am not a Yenkee and therefore I am not burdensome about/with an proper oil weight smile If it shifts ok with 10w40 or 10w30...I will use that...


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Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: bunnspecial] #4806441
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I wouldn't call an A3/B4 20W-50 weak in any way...but may not be on the shelf in the US.


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Re: SAE 30 vs. 20W-50 for a short OCI [Re: Snagglefoot] #4806451
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
No major city in Australia is hotter than Houston Texas. The hottest city in Australia is Darwin, where it is almost 90 degrees year round but rarely hits 100 degrees. Sydney rarely gets above 90 degrees. I guess consistently hot is one way of measuring hot weather, and maximum temperature is another. source : Weatherspark.com

You want hot? Itís 112 F in Phoenix tommorow. banana


I've said this many many times on BITOG and just gave up. It's about as bad as the claim that 0w30 in a snow blower at 30*F is noticeably easier to pull start...

"I use *insert stout non-available to US oil here*_________ because of the heat." No, you use it because there's no CAFE laws and as a result, the oils sold there don't have to be energy conserving. Look at the owners manual for a car in the US and compare it to the owners manual for the same engine in Australia.

That said, if the climate allows for it, there's no reason not to run a thicker oil IMO, but the "heat" certainly isn't the correct reason. HDEO giving one the warm fuzzies would be more of a correct answer. laugh

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