Originally Posted By: Trav
Michelin is one company i despise because of their antics and shenanigans over the years, the PAX system were short lived tires (about 20k) that needed a special machine to change them on the special rims, every Honda dealer was supposed to have a machine, almost none if any ever got one.
So.. What does Honda and Michelin do? No problem wheel and tire exchange $750 ea for new tires and refurbed rims with your old ones. SOB's eh?
I wonder what their next money grabbing con job will be, we will know in 20 yrs when this is all forgotten.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/automobiles/20TIRES.html
The Pirelli system is great and requires no special rims, machines or installation, just like any other normal tire.
https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/car-light-truck/total-mobility
Edit: In the PAX article Honda was really trying to pull a fast one claiming the suspension was "tuned" for PAX, the strut, sway bar, LCA part# for the van without PAX were the same at that time. In 07 it was not 1600 bucks at every dealer, dealers were scalping 1500 a pair in some places.
I changed quite a few over to alloys and normal tires with Pilot TPM sensors since 07 without issues of any kind. Today Honda says its okay to do and even gives part numbers.
Two companies well suited for each other.
I'll never buy their tires again either. Not for the reasons you listed, for cord separation years ago on more than one occasion, and their lousy CS at the time.