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"bag rage" in OZ markets? #4802246
07/01/18 11:41 AM
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Single use plastic bags banned as of July 1, people don't like it. OZ Bag ban

Haven't heard much about it except in that state all the way to the left.


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Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802252
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Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Single use plastic bags banned as of July 1, people don't like it. OZ Bag ban

Haven't heard much about it except in that state all the way to the left.

Itís all for show as protecting the environment. The bags are not the issue, itís the people who discard them irresponsibly. Many people reuse the bag for trash or other purposes. Now they have to buy plastic trash bags.

Nothing has been gained.

Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802269
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We bring our own bags until we need dog poo bags. Won't be the end of the world.


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Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: PimTac] #4802273
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Single use plastic bags banned as of July 1, people don't like it. OZ Bag ban

Haven't heard much about it except in that state all the way to the left.

Itís all for show as protecting the environment. The bags are not the issue, itís the people who discard them irresponsibly. Many people reuse the bag for trash or other purposes. Now they have to buy plastic trash bags.

Nothing has been gained.

Agreed. We use our plastic bags in the kitchen garbage, picking up after our dog, and picking up yard debris, among other things. If they were banned here we would have to buy them.

Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802321
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I always used every grocery plastic bag for garbage, never one wasted. Now they have the ban. At first I was annoyed because I didn't do anything wrong myself. But others do and they are flying all over places. So I buy a box of large kitchen bags at WM for cheap and they are far better anyway. I have a box in the car and use that to bring groceries in the house. Ban is a good idea, happy they have it.

I live one mile from the ocean and go walk there every day with dog. I always am picking up trash and dog poop on beaches, mainly tourist's. Haven't see the grocery bags for awhile, and that's a good thing.

Plastic straws are very bad, sharp. They were showing a turtle with one through his mouth up through his nose.

Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802323
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$0.11/bag is too much for my blood. $15.99 for 1000, then keep a handful in the trunk.

Are they after your plastic straws yet?

Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: PimTac] #4802337
07/01/18 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Single use plastic bags banned as of July 1, people don't like it. OZ Bag ban

Haven't heard much about it except in that state all the way to the left.

It’s all for show as protecting the environment. The bags are not the issue, it’s the people who discard them irresponsibly. Many people reuse the bag for trash or other purposes. Now they have to buy plastic trash bags.

Nothing has been gained.


Plastic bags are the issue. It has nothing to do with show, it is for a reason. A lot has been gained. Sometimes being anti everything protecting our environment is wrong.

Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802348
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Why not just go back to the good old days when all they used was paper bags?


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Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802349
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+1 goodtimes. Ed


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Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802351
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Isn't it interesting that "green" grocery stores in the US have "banned" plastic bags but they'll charge you for a paper bag. Oh no this was all about the so-called "environment" not actually greed.. no.. never greed.. ya right.. crackmeup

Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802403
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California did this last year. Its a real pain in the rump. If you don't bring bags you just buy more. The bags are everywhere now. Side of the road, trees etc


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Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802424
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We switched to reusable bags 10 years ago. I keep some in my car and my wife has fancy ones in her car. Aldis doesn't even have bags. You either bring your own or scavenge through the cardboard boxes they are recycling to find a box that suits your stuff.


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Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802425
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Why would there be more? People use the same number of bags whether free or 11 cents each.


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Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802430
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Plastic straws were just banned in Seattle.


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Re: "bag rage" in OZ markets? [Re: AZjeff] #4802517
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Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Why would there be more? People use the same number of bags whether free or 11 cents each.



I think it's more the "externalities" that's the issue and not the numbers used. If you haven't heard anything about banning single-use bags, them you must not live where there are people because it's been an issue for over a decade in several states.

There's a whole calculated mindset to this idea in some municipalities about banning versus fees vs. what type of bags to offer and where. The plastic bags that you pay for where I live are both better quality and recyclable vs. the paper thin bags that are more a cover for what you bought and serve more as an immediate nuisance than something you'd re-purpose.

Obviously, the idea is to alter consumer behavior sometimes combined with the idea of stopping the discarding of one type of bag in one area or bags from one type of store versus another. Studies show they can differ significantly. It makes sense on that level and definitely has an impact on the trash created by the "wrong" type of bag in areas / retail outlets where it's been shown they're more likely to be tossed. In my mind at least, that's good "nanny state" vs. bad "nanny state" especially when you put it against the "Pacific Garbage Patch" and the **** that's getting into our food chain.

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