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Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? #4799072
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Did Anheuser-Busch make this decision after drinking a lot of Buds?
Am I missing something, or is the hydrogen horse NOT the horse to back in the future wars of fuels?

Cool looking aero-cab though !!!
Its powered by electric motors, which gets amps from H2 fuel cells & some batteries. (No diesel or gasoline or methane or propane, none of that on-board.)



Maybe I do need to study up on the subject more, but NREL/EPA & other studies like https://reneweconomy.com.au/toyota-vs-tesla-can-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles-compete-with-evs-60374/ show the complete idiocy of H2 fuel cell electric vehicles.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/111...red-semi-trucks

Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799083
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Look at it this way government doesn't own hydrogen production they own most of the electrical production. Power is the biggest Ponzi scheme ever.


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Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799114
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Nearest I can tell, Budweiser's wiser execs turned to drinking too much, and found inspiration that H2 was a good way to spend money, similar to "Manhattan"'s mushroom-fueled inspiration: "They all head back to the lab to follow up on this exciting new development, madly scribbling equations
on several blackboards in a frenzy of ’shroom-fueled inspiration. The next morning, Babbit
arrives to find all three asleep, having worked all night — but the blackboards are filled with
gibberish.
" Page 37 of http://www.iasfbo.inaf.it/~mauro/TV/PDF/ENDED/MANHATTAN.pdf

Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799117
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They dont have to actually use them the 'feel good' publicity is worth millions ,like all the oders for Tesla's semi.- smoke/vapour and mis direction. .

the publics memory is very short.

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Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799138
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Does Anheuser actually have their own fleet, or is this publicity to look environmentally friendly?
I'm saying that because the Columbus, OH Anheuser brewery has used a third party for their truck fleet for years: Schneider for a few years and now slave wage Werner.


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Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799157
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Yeah like skyactiv said, ABI doesn’t even own it’s distribution, so this is likely smoke and mirrors. It’s been solely Werner for at least 5 years.

Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799165
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I'll bet Budwieser's powerpoint slide presentations on this funky idea was hilarious.
The average Bud drinker doesn't care a rat's patoot about hydrogen trucks. Not the demographic for that.

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Next, your going to tell us that it's controlled via, Artificial Intelligence! It's already here!



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Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799286
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Probably going to use those trucks for promotions.

The beer gets hauled by rolling sweat shop truck drivers that are being ripped off every day 24/7 because they are being paid mileage as the crow flies.

I have hauled their brew for every trucking company that I have worked for big or small. All I can say is I was always treated good, and I got loaded in a reasonable amount of time. Never had a problem at one of their beer plants.


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Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799293
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The idea that anyone could stand to drink the stuff is nuts or nutz in the new phonetic inglish.


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Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4799795
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Well, hydrogen has always been thought of as a battery technology; I'm not sure how it competes (well to wheels) with actual batteries but who knows. Maybe they did their math and have a plan. Or maybe tomorrow they'll question how they viewed "24 hours in a day, 24 cans in a case--coincidence? I think not!"

But IMHO it's foolishness. If they build 800 of them I bet 799 will wind up converted to battery.


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Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: BigD1] #4800021
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Originally Posted By: BigD1
Probably going to use those trucks for promotions.
It's 800 trucks. I could see a gimmicky use for 10 maybe, in promotions like you say, but 800 is a serious enough sized fleet to wonder what-the-heck.

Coca-Cola has been adding hybrids in real numbers (easy to find on the roads, they have a lot now) to their fleet of red trucks. THAT makes sense; THIS Bud stuff is crazy, unless someone here knows what makes sense about it and can educate me.

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Originally Posted By: supton
Well, hydrogen has always been thought of as a battery technology; I'm not sure how it competes (well to wheels) with actual batteries but who knows. Maybe they did their math and have a plan.
Every well-to-wheel study I've seen says H2 stinks. 'Budweiser Braniacs' would see the same studies. Puzzling to me anyway. Of course, California and Honda are showing their mastery of nonsense too. https://www.wired.com/2017/04/honda-will-nearly-anything-get-hydrogen-car/ ... Can they all be crazy?

Originally Posted By: supton
But IMHO it's foolishness. If they build 800 of them I bet 799 will wind up converted to battery.
I hadn't thought of that, converting these trucks to all-battery. They already will have some batteries on board. I guess at some point they will Weis-up and place the fuel cells in a recycling bin somewhere, where they belong, and just put a series-hybrid gasoline engine on board.

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They all could be crazy.

My thinking is, perhaps Bud knows this is all bunk. But they see Tesla et al making electric trucks--and seemingly getting close. So perhaps they get some PR out of this, maybe some tax breaks or something, build some H2 trucks, and when H2 doesn't pan out, pop out the fuel cells and pop in some batteries. Maybe they have a plan b already figured out.


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Re: Budweiser's New 800-fleet H2 Semi Trucks iz Nutz? [Re: oil_film_movies] #4807046
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Bud might not be crazy after all: What could save the H2 approach is dendritic core-shell nickel-iron-copper metal/metal oxide electrodes for efficient electrocatalytic water oxidation, obviously, right??!!

I don't know why I didn't think of that before. Actually, I do know why it didn't occur to me, & its probably because I have no idea what that freakin' is!!! Anyway, translated: There might be an easier way to get hydrogen out of water than the current old ways of electolysis or yanking it away from CH4 (methane), too energy intensive there.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180305093708.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180410103512.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180201141512.htm
etc.

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