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VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 #4794759 06/22/18 10:47 PM
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Re: VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 [Re: PWMDMD] #4794780 06/22/18 11:04 PM
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Thanks for the VOA! Looks like a pretty stout 0W20, no D1G2 certification on that one! smile


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Way too thin for any diluter application. Thank you for posting


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Re: VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 [Re: PWMDMD] #4794809 06/22/18 11:35 PM
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Looks just fine. Are you planning on running this?


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Re: VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 [Re: PWMDMD] #4795227 06/23/18 11:38 AM
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I thought the flashpoint for an Xw20 was >385?

Seems like a rock solid oil, a little on the thin side of the spectrum.


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Re: VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 [Re: PimTac] #4795335 06/23/18 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Looks just fine. Are you planning on running this?


I was thinking about it. Wanted to see the VOA first.

Really Iím waiting for Ravenol 0W-20 DFE to come to the US.


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Re: VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 [Re: PWMDMD] #4795394 06/23/18 02:44 PM
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Looks just fine. Are you planning on running this?


I was thinking about it. Wanted to see the VOA first.

Really Iím waiting for Ravenol 0W-20 DFE to come to the US.




I does look good. One thing about Ravenol is that they have a lot of different types of oils. Their 0w20 EFS looks pretty good as well but with a slightly higher Noack number.


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Looks just fine. Are you planning on running this?


I was thinking about it. Wanted to see the VOA first.

Really Iím waiting for Ravenol 0W-20 DFE to come to the US.




I does look good. One thing about Ravenol is that they have a lot of different types of oils. Their 0w20 EFS looks pretty good as well but with a slightly higher Noack number.


Noack on 0W-20 DFE is 7.2 - just canít seem to get it here...yet.


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Re: VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 [Re: PWMDMD] #4797337 06/25/18 05:22 PM
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Just got an email from Ravenol - 0W-20 DFE is scheduled to be released in the US late fall into early winter 2018 but he said it can be special ordered now. Waiting to hear the details of the special order.


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I know thereís always some variation but looking at viscosity, TBN and flashpoint this sample doesnít seem to measure anywhere close to what they are supposed to be based on the website. This ECS is supposed to have a viscosity of 8.08 @ 100C and the DFE is supposed to have a viscosity of 8.4 @ 100C which Iím hoping would be more acceptable.

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Re: VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 [Re: PWMDMD] #4797382 06/25/18 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: PWMDMD
I know thereís always some variation but looking at viscosity, TBN and flashpoint this sample doesnít seem to measure anywhere close to what they are supposed to be based on the website. This ECS is supposed to have a viscosity of 8.08 @ 100C and the DFE is supposed to have a viscosity of 8.4 @ 100C which Iím hoping would be more acceptable.

Strange how the German website lists different properties (which may match up better with this VOA here!):


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As others have said above, this one is meant to be a tad on the thin side, with an HTHS=2.6, to suit the Jaguar Land Rover spec. Not dexos1, but this stuff can be used in just about any non-DI, non-turbo, non-GM engine that calls for an SN GF-5 0w20.
Not good in a confirmed fuel diluter. Those 0w20-applications should probably get thicker M1 AFE 0w30 or a full-syn 5w30 to counteract fuel dilution.

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Holy batsnot! -63*C pour point!I don't even think gasoline will vaporize at that low of a temperature! That oil needs a "Siberia Approved" sticker on it! laugh


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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Holy batsnot! -63*C pour point!I don't even think gasoline will vaporize at that low of a temperature! That oil needs a "Siberia Approved" sticker on it! laugh
That's -81 degrees Fahrenheit to you and me. A witch's rear is warm compared to that.

That, and its got a NOACK less than 8%. This stuff is all PAO base, as they advertise.
The dexos1 Gen2 Ravenol DFE 0w20 has similar numbers.

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Is there any reason why the EFS 0w20 couldnít be used here? The numbers look decent and itís formulated to prevent LSPI according to Ravenol.

https://www.ravenol.de/en/products/usage/d/Product/show/p/ravenol-efs-ecofullsynth-sae-0w-20-1.html


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Re: VOA Ravenol ECS 0W-20 [Re: PWMDMD] #4797697 06/26/18 05:56 AM
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The DFE may be really great stuff but Ravenol wants $18.08 per liter with a minimum purchase of a case of 20 ($361.60). They said they are not putting in an order to Germany until July 19 and then itís 6-10 weeks before it arrives. My guess is this order will include Ravenolamericaís order for the fall release of DFE and Iím interested to see what the non-special order price will be once itís officially released in the US. For comparison the ECS was $49.99 for 5 liters ($9.99/L) on Amazon with free shipping.


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