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#4792573 - 06/20/18 09:18 PM Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides
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#4792577 - 06/20/18 09:25 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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Sounds bout right. My four Kias and one Hyundai have been rock solid. Honda seems to be really slipping.
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#4792581 - 06/20/18 09:27 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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Interesting, Porsche at 4th place?

Some brands at the bottom have been some of the most reliable cars I ever owned.
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#4792593 - 06/20/18 09:33 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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These are initial quality ratings, any info on 3 years old cars as an example?
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#4792600 - 06/20/18 09:39 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: Danno]
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Registered: 10/14/14
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Originally Posted By: Danno
These are initial quality ratings, any info on 3 years old cars as an example?



Plenty of anecdotal evidence on here.......for cars that are three years and beyond. It's mentioned on various topics on this froum just about every day.


Edited by CKN (06/20/18 09:40 PM)

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#4792612 - 06/20/18 09:50 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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Wow, Jeep tied Toyota and beat Honda. I know this...My 2018 JL Wrangler was early production of a new design and one of the first batch of manual transmissions. Being from FCA, people told me the sky would fall and this thing would implode in a giant cascade of problems. I haven't had a single problem, so far, and I've found only one quality issue, which was a very minor smudge of adhesive that dripped onto the side of the hard top. That's it. I only found it because I was meticulously handwaxing the Jeep. Anyway, I hope it won't start having issues now that I've said this. I've got about 5700 miles on it now and it drives/runs/feels like a dream. My hat is off to FCA. My Jeep is off to a great start!

My Ford Transit is a giant POS, btw. I love the engine, drivetrain, and overall design, but man the little things just keep falling apart. It has a flawed driveshaft coupling design, has had a serious seat belt recall, and bits and pieces and rubber seals keep falling off and breaking. I've never had a vehicle with so many issues. It also goes through brakes like Liz Taylor went through husbands. It was also an early production new design vehicle when we bought it. Jeep absolutely burried Ford in execution when comparing the two. No contest.
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#4792618 - 06/20/18 09:53 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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Registered: 12/19/13
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#6. Chevrolet
#20. GMC


There is NOT a GMC model that's built on it's own platform, Unless a bunch of people had their Denali badge fall off.....This list makes little sense!
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#4792622 - 06/20/18 09:57 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
wemay Offline


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Maybe GMC owners are more picky... shrug
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#4792627 - 06/20/18 10:00 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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Registered: 06/16/05
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Maybe GMC owners are more picky... shrug


Actually, that can be the difference. It is based on reported problems. Different demographics can look at things differently, and report accordingly. That said, different plants producing the same designs can vary greatly in quality.
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#4792630 - 06/20/18 10:01 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: 123Saab]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6527
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Interesting, Porsche at 4th place?

Some brands at the bottom have been some of the most reliable cars I ever owned.


To have them 4th, rankings clearly ignored price and therefore is not about value

Also, every person I know with a Porsche has two other vehicles and keeps the miles off the toy
(does not trailer with it either)

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#4792632 - 06/20/18 10:01 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: Danno]
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Registered: 04/26/05
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Originally Posted By: Danno
These are initial quality ratings, any info on 3 years old cars as an example?


That's a separate survey, the Vehicle Dependability Study.

This, the IQS, asks about issues during the first 90 days. In the past, such "issues" could include whether an owner's mug doesn't fit into the cup holder, or if the radio wasn't loud enough. JDP was criticized for that and made adjustments to the questioning, but how much I don't know.

Keep in mind these are marketing research surveys, whose participants are the general public.

They may see things differently, and have a different knowledge base than say, those here.

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#4792640 - 06/20/18 10:11 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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JD Power? You mean the people who get paid to give awards to the highest bidder? Lol
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#4792641 - 06/20/18 10:12 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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Registered: 12/05/16
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I've been running my '12 Kia Optima SX (modified) for almost six years now as my daily driver. EXCELLENT quality and I've been impressed. As an engineer, I can see how Kia has improved as I was also the owner of a very used 2002 Kia Optima. Night and day difference.
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#4792663 - 06/20/18 10:34 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: WhizkidTN]
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Kia... Definitely making their path up the ranks.
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#4792672 - 06/20/18 10:59 PM Re: Koreans top J.D. Power qlty; Ford, GM, FCA make strides [Re: wemay]
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Loc: Illinois
Am the only one who can't find Chrysler anywhere on that list?

They still have two models, right?
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