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Anyone having to use premium when not called for? #4788576
06/16/18 07:16 PM
06/16/18 07:16 PM
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Canada
addyguy Offline OP
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Got a 2010 Soul 2U with 202,000km on it.

Car is in good shape, and is well-maintained - regular oil changes, plugs were done about a year ago with NGK Iridiums, fuel injector/system cleaner is used 3-4 times per year, lots of high-ish speed highway driving, no CEL's on, always use good-quality gas.

Since I got the car, it has pinged a lot on 87-octane gas, especially when accelerating. In fact it pings so bad that when getting up to highway speed you can feel the car is loosing power from the pinging. Manual only calls for 87 octane gas.

Tried mid-grade, made it a little less noticeable, but still there.

A couple of months ago finally bit the bullet and put premium 91 in. Gas has been expensive, and didn't want to pay the premium, but I get extra Esso points with it, so decided to try it.

Problem solved. Pinging is gone, and car has definitely picked up power and smoothness. Don't like having to put premium in an 'econo' car, but it is working, so i will stick with it.

Anyone else have a car that calls for regular; but kinda HAS to run premium in it to stop pinging?


2010 Kia Soul 2U - 2.0L I-4, auto; 139k miles.
M1 EP 10W-30; OEM Kia filter.
Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788578
06/16/18 07:20 PM
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San Antonio, TX
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My 2016 Mazda 6...


1984 Mercedes-Benz 300SD - 100k
1995 F150 XL 4.9 reg cab 5MT - 251k 5w30
2016 Mazda6 Touring 6MT - 57k 10w30
2006 Buick Lucerne CXL 3.8 31k 5w30
Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788588
06/16/18 07:39 PM
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Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788592
06/16/18 07:44 PM
06/16/18 07:44 PM
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The Dakota tends to ping on me during the winter so I'll use premium every 2-3 fillups.


Current Fleet:

2010 Hyundai Sonata GLS
2009 Chevy Cobalt SS Sedan (yes,the turbo)
2002 Dodge Dakota SXT Club Cab
1994 Ford Ranger XLT (RIP, Dad)
Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788599
06/16/18 07:48 PM
06/16/18 07:48 PM
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From what I've read, it's a common problem with Hyundai/Kia products. Something about some Hyundai/Kia vehicles want a battery that puts out higher voltage well before a typical auto battery is deemed bad by load testing it. The battery can start the car and test okay, but if the voltage is who knows, 13.1 instead of 13.3 or higher, it can cause the pinging. It doesn't make sense, I know. Some have also stated disconnecting the battery has done the trick. I would disconnect the battery overnight and try that since it's free.
If neither of those fix the problem, I'd take it to the dealer.


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
Me: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
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Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788602
06/16/18 07:51 PM
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Might try a coolant flush, could have a hot spot in there. Also make sure the air intake is 100% functional and drawing from the inner fender or wherever it should be.

Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788603
06/16/18 07:52 PM
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MIchigan
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Try 87 octane from other gas stations.

Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788613
06/16/18 08:02 PM
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Middlesex County CT
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Using 89 and occasionally 9[13] in my Prius; it was short tripped for 65K miles and probably is pretty carboned up.

Mixing in some netra 131 to see if that does anything. Done the beryman's etc already.


2004 Prius; 102K; ASL
2007 Yaris 78K 0w-40 Castrol
2006 B2300;132K;ALM


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Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788617
06/16/18 08:10 PM
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TX
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Ive been using costco 93 in order to battle fuel dilution in my civic. It helps in jy case

Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788628
06/16/18 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: addyguy
Anyone else have a car that calls for regular; but kinda HAS to run premium in it to stop pinging?

Not quite the same, but the F-150 used to get 89 octane mid-grade instead of 87 octane regular when Husky/Mohawk used to sell 89 E10 for the same price as 87 E0, before the ethanol mandate existed. I've also run 93 or 94 or whatever Husky/Mohawk's top premium is in the Audi and G37, when 91 will suffice. I often buy E0 premium for the OPE, but, of course, that has nothing to do with preventing pinging.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, Wix 57356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788642
06/16/18 08:32 PM
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use E0 91 worth the +10%


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Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788643
06/16/18 08:33 PM
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My Camry pings under pretty much all conditions

It's a thing with the M series V6 I'm told

87/89/91/93

It's best with 91/93

I'm gonna do a tune up soon and send the injectors out to Witch Hunter, see what that changes


'06 Toyota Camry SE V6 3MZ-FE 100k
'01 Mercury Villager Estate VG33E 52k
'06 Ford Taurus SE Vulcan 60k
'13 Chrysler 300 3.6 Pentastar 230k
Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788708
06/16/18 09:36 PM
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To skyactiv's point, the Sonata 2.4L I owned prior to this one pinged on 87. I changed the battery and plugs near the same time since the battery was on its last leg. The pinging stopped. But i have no idea which did the trick... battery or plugs.


18 Sportage 2.4 AWD
Now: VAL Syn 5w20 / OEM 26300-35504
Next: HAV Syn 5w20 / K&N HP-1004

13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T
Now: PP 5w30 / WIX 51334
Next: QSUD 5w30 / Same
Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788744
06/16/18 10:34 PM
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addyguy Offline OP
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Battery IS old on this car, its the original!

Still works perfectly, and I won't be changing it until it needs to, probably this coming winter.

I don't live a a high-altitude area, so that is not it.

Shouldn't have any hot spots in it, but later this summer it will get a new timing belt and water pump, and coolant will be changed then. So far it is fine, gauge never wavers from just below half when running. no loss of coolant.

Will check air filter carefully. It's a couple of years old, but doesn't seem to get that dirty.

For now will just stick with premium fuel.


2010 Kia Soul 2U - 2.0L I-4, auto; 139k miles.
M1 EP 10W-30; OEM Kia filter.
Re: Anyone having to use premium when not called for? [Re: addyguy] #4788745
06/16/18 10:36 PM
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Haven't had a car ping since I had a Chrysler 2.2 with the carburetor. It pinged in the summer so I ran it on plus once in a while. Only did it under heavy throttle. It was fine in the winter. I think it was the high temperatures in the summer that made it worse.

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