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#4784907 - 06/12/18 01:46 PM Bosch Pads
lugNutz Offline


Registered: 05/19/13
Posts: 466
Loc: IL
Howdy folks! Here's my debacle.... Vehicle is a 2014 Passat 1.8T

Bought car used Dec 30, 2017- Brand new brakes- no squeal.
March 2018- Horrible squeal similar to the wear sensor sound. Constant.
May 2018- Pulled pads, hardly any wear at all. Noticed idiots did not apply ANY grease, rubber coating on shim wore off at contact points. Applied grease, squeal went away for about a day.
June 2018- Squeal still there, want to bang head against wall. And so do others nearby.

In summary, I am looking at replacing the pads because the current Bosch pads suck. They tend to slip a bit when braking hard. Not good. I have read conflicting information about whether or not the stock VW brakes in the front are ceramic or semi-met... does anyone have factual knowledge pertaining to the OE pad material OR do you have experience with an aftermarket pad that worked out well for you and wasn't ear-piercing loud on this car? I have used many different brands in the past, all with good results. I am looking to see what would be closest to OE formulation without paying the dealer pricing for this specific vehicle.
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#4784913 - 06/12/18 01:52 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
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Loc: OH
How about using some of this on the back of the pads:

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: maxdustington
If you can fix it yourself, I would disassemble, clean and re-lubricate. Also, you could try this. I saw Trav recommend it in a different thread.

If the pad and rotor still look ok try to fix it first, your labour is free and the materials are of negligible cost.


Correct. Clean, lube the pins and use CRC Disc Brake Quiet on the back of the pads, reassemble and its done, no more noise 100%.
If it stops okay with these pads regardless of who made them there is no need to toss them.

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#4784926 - 06/12/18 02:06 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: SatinSilver]
lugNutz Offline


Registered: 05/19/13
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Loc: IL
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
How about using some of this on the back of the pads:

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: maxdustington
If you can fix it yourself, I would disassemble, clean and re-lubricate. Also, you could try this. I saw Trav recommend it in a different thread.

If the pad and rotor still look ok try to fix it first, your labour is free and the materials are of negligible cost.


Correct. Clean, lube the pins and use CRC Disc Brake Quiet on the back of the pads, reassemble and its done, no more noise 100%.
If it stops okay with these pads regardless of who made them there is no need to toss them.


Isn't that the sticky red stuff? I swear i've used that before on my old Altima and is made the squeal worse.
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#4784927 - 06/12/18 02:08 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
Char Baby Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
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Are you only replacing the front brakes or both F & R?

I prefer ceramic and don't even buy semi-mets anymore. Looking at RockAuto, they show mostly ceramic pads however their listing does show some semi-mets as well.

I also prefer brake pads with a Coefficient of Friction(CoF) of "FF" instead of "GG". I like the initial bite of the "FF" better than the "GG". I only see the semi-mets in "EF" of "FG"(maybe "FF") and I can't answer for that.

Also, get new pads with the hardwear already included and install them after cleaning the hold down bar(pad slots) thoroughly. Grind out the rust, don't use a wire wheel as it only shines up the rust.


Edited by Char Baby (06/12/18 02:12 PM)
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#4784929 - 06/12/18 02:13 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
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Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: lugNutz
Isn't that the sticky red stuff? I swear i've used that before on my old Altima and is made the squeal worse.


I believe so, here's the thread with a new more tips on using it.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4765196/2

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#4784944 - 06/12/18 02:23 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
slacktide_bitog Offline


Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 6151
Loc: USA
Akebono makes good pads that are nice and quiet and don't dust smile

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#4784952 - 06/12/18 02:36 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: slacktide_bitog]
lugNutz Offline


Registered: 05/19/13
Posts: 466
Loc: IL
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Akebono makes good pads that are nice and quiet and don't dust smile
Agreed. Have used them in the past amongst many others. I like the Wagner TQs too but according to RA, they are semi-met.

Curious how good Centric posi-quiets are now- have yet to try those.
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#4784956 - 06/12/18 02:49 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 10157
Loc: OH
Put some Wagner OEX pads on the rear of the Camry a year ago. Have been happy with those. Quiet as a mouse. Since you mention Wagner.

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#4784963 - 06/12/18 03:02 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
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Registered: 02/19/13
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Did they replace or turn the rotors when they did the pads?
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#4784965 - 06/12/18 03:04 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: Nick1994]
lugNutz Offline


Registered: 05/19/13
Posts: 466
Loc: IL
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Did they replace or turn the rotors when they did the pads?
Honestly, I cannot speak to either one of those. All I know is that the dealership I bought it from took care of it before they put it up for sale. Wish I knew. If I go the route of replacing the pads, I would have the rotors turned.
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#4784976 - 06/12/18 03:14 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
Trav Offline


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ATE, Textar, Pagid, Jurid, EBC Ultimax. any one of them will work well, sauce them a little on the back of the pads. Some VW's are notorious for brake squeal without OE pads.
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#4785018 - 06/12/18 04:13 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
NormanBuntz Offline


Registered: 07/27/13
Posts: 2123
Loc: Outer Banks, NC
You are criticizing Bosch pads, but you don't say what model they are and if they were installed with new rotors. Bosch makes three grades of brake pads. I just had Bosch Quietcast ceramic pads along with new Brembo rotors installed on the front of my M35. Smooth and quiet with no issues at all. Rotors are a fraction of what they used to cost. Don't turn them, buy new.
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#4785050 - 06/12/18 04:55 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: NormanBuntz]
krismoriah72 Offline


Registered: 02/16/09
Posts: 1518
Loc: wv
the rubber coating is likely not sliding smoothly on the pins giving you chatter. I would try one more time filing or burning off the rubber coating...and lubing the pins and ears.

Otherwise my next new pads are likely going to be Raybestos EHT ...they seem to have the best of all worlds and reasonably priced.

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#4785101 - 06/12/18 05:41 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: lugNutz]
nthach Offline


Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 3895
Loc: California
FWIW, I have Bosch's private label rebrand of their QuietCast pads on a friend's Subaru and so far, so good. He even reports they work better than the Wagners that I installed before that.

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#4785173 - 06/12/18 07:00 PM Re: Bosch Pads [Re: SatinSilver]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6148
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: Trav

Correct. Clean, lube the pins and use CRC Disc Brake Quiet on the back of the pads, reassemble and its done, no more noise 100%. If it stops okay with these pads regardless of who made them there is no need to toss them.


Sweet advice, thanks!!
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