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How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? #4784419
06/11/18 10:38 PM
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I'm not all that creative when it comes to fabricating things. MB now offers the w123 FSM free on their website; so here are some screen shots.

1.5mm is 16ga roughly. I don't quite get how to make this have an F shape. Any recommendations? Otherwise I can just cut 16ga spacers to use.





Thanks!

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4784434
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Looks like the short part of the F is welded in place.


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Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4784454
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The important part if the "C" that is the top of the F.

This is the spacer for correct set-up, so I'd just concentrate on that shape/dimension.

Then make a handle (or not) from there.

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4784568
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Its an easy tool to fab, if I was seeing better I would make one for you. Start with a sheet metal "C" and add handle as Shannow suggested.
Alternatively find a sheet metal shop, print the picture with the dimensions and let them make you one, it wont cost much at all. Don't have a machine shop do it, they will make a high quality piece than is required at a much higher cost.


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Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: VeryNoisyPoet] #4784652
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Originally Posted By: VeryNoisyPoet
Looks like the short part of the F is welded in place.


The image is so [censored] small it's hard to read but it does look like weld fillets are shown. As an alternative, and it will depend on the bend radius, one could possibly bend that 'piece' in the part.

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Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4784742
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I would start with a 16G bicycle spoke, bend it to shape, and weld a handle onto it.

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4784832
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Here's a better screen capture...


Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4784957
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Get some 16ga sheet metal cut to dimension, add an elongated hole and bend, mig tack weld the piece under it on (or have someone do it). Honestly its a 20 min easy fab, give it a go, nothing to loose but a small piece of sheet metal.


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Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4784984
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What's the MB part number and how much do they want for it anyway?

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: Wolf359] #4785209
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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
What's the MB part number and how much do they want for it anyway?


The FSM specifically calls it a "shop made tool". Therefore there is no part number.

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4785317
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Have you tried getting a copy of the WIS? They're about $10 for the knock off DVD on eBay. I'm wondering if they ever updated it so that it has a part number.

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4785367
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I can't be more clear. This was intended for shops to produce themselves.

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4785426
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OK, you have to cut a flat bar as shown bent it around a 10mm bar, then weld the "F" arm on it.

It's pretty clear how it's assembled.

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4785775
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So, if I have zero skill and no equipment to weld, how can I best make this? Pop rivits and epoxy?

I'm thinking to make the "c" that is the main section of use via one bend. Then pop rivit/epoxy the handle on. Potentially doubly over the 16ga for the handle to meet the 3mm design.

Would this be feasible?

Thanks!!

Re: How would you make this MB "shop made tool"? [Re: JHZR2] #4785954
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Is this 240D specific? I don't remember it on the 5 cylinder W123s. For a 1-time use, can't you just take two ~3 mm pieces (like a washer) and slip them in place while you set the stop?

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