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#4784067 - 06/11/18 04:35 PM 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey)
FL-400S Offline


Registered: 03/03/04
Posts: 911
Loc: Southeast
Older powertrain vs newer. Pros and Cons? Is the 17-18 powertrain proven in lexus or camry or something else yet?

Side note, newer Honda Odyssey, VCM still an issue? Chrysler made 8 speed transmissions?

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#4784079 - 06/11/18 04:47 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
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The 8 speed ZF transmission is NOT A FCA product, ZF is a standalone German company that sells products to auto makers worldwide. The have a plant in Alabama as well... ZF
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#4784080 - 06/11/18 04:47 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
EdwardC Offline


Registered: 11/14/13
Posts: 1862
Loc: Chicago, IL
Sorry, don't have anything to add to the conversation, but you may get more/better responses with the thread in the Vehicles forum instead of the For Sale section.

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#4784088 - 06/11/18 05:01 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
JohnnyJohnson Offline


Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 2737
Loc: Wet side WA
Just saying read the reviews Toyota Sienna has a lot of negative customer reviews on warranty issues not resolved by Toyota! Having said that I have been a happy Toyota owner since 1992.


Edited by JohnnyJohnson (06/11/18 05:01 PM)
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#4784415 - 06/11/18 10:34 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
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Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41773
Loc: New Jersey
We love our '14 odyssey. Entertainment/Bluetooth is a bit more sluggish than on my '15 accord, but that's about the only complaint I could make. We looked closely at the odyssey and sienna. I went in thinking we would want a sienna. Odyssey came out better in terms of how well it is made, how we like it's setup, etc.

Our friends have a '15 sienna, and it has had all kinds of issues. I don't think the dealer has ever been able to get the sunroof right.

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#4784463 - 06/12/18 12:11 AM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 7460
Loc: Toronto, Canada
IMO, anybody looking for a minivan and skipping the Pacifica because it's an FCA product, is doing themselves a disservice.
In terms of reliability all three manufacturers are pretty much neck in neck in this segment.
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#4784464 - 06/12/18 12:22 AM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
Nick1994 Offline


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2018 Sienna has the same 3.5L 2GR-FE V6 that they started putting in the Avalon in 2004 and the Camry and then on in other cars. They've just tweaked it over the years.
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#4784815 - 06/12/18 11:55 AM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
KrisZ Offline


Registered: 12/23/06
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2018 Sienna has a DI engine, I highly doubt it's just a "tweaked" 2004 version. Also, when Toyota switched to the 3.5 from the 3.3, it had quite a bit of problems. So much for the tweaks.


Edited by KrisZ (06/12/18 11:58 AM)
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#4784885 - 06/12/18 01:17 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
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Loc: KC
As popular is the odyssey is, it appears to me that it is not a great quality product. Between my family and neighbors, I know 3 with late model ones and they have all lost engines and one had many issues with the transmission.

I know the internet has reports of issues with Siennas ATX but I don't think it can be as bad as Honda's and I trust the Toyota engine more than the Honda.

Just my 2 cents.

I found the reliability issues and complaints to be lesser for the 2015 & newer chrysler vans if you haven't looked at those. I know many will scoff at the idea of Chrysler being on the level of Toyota/Honda but the T&C/Pacifica is a really well done product.
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#4784893 - 06/12/18 01:25 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: KrisZ]
JTK Offline


Registered: 08/14/03
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
IMO, anybody looking for a minivan and skipping the Pacifica because it's an FCA product, is doing themselves a disservice.
In terms of reliability all three manufacturers are pretty much neck in neck in this segment.


Absolutely agree. We've put a ton of miles on 4 different MVs at this point starting back in ~2003. 2001 Windstar, 2008 Odyssey, 2013 Grand Caravan and currently a 2016 Quest.

None of them gave us any major issues and all aged pretty much the same with constant kid hauling duty. I do believe a Grand Caravan or Pacifica offers a lot for the dollar.
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#4785754 - 06/13/18 10:51 AM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
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Registered: 08/15/05
Posts: 2233
Loc: Lexington, KY
I am drifting off topic, but with the sophistication of modern vehicles the dealers are no longer capable of fixing much of anything. So it's a luck of the draw - do you end up with a vehicle where all the parts are good and it was assembled on a run when none of the assembly line humans were having a bad day?

I am also curious about when (if ever) Honda fixed their V6 VCM problems. I know of three 2012 Odysseys (owned by friends) that had show-stopping engine problems caused by the VCM about every 50,000 miles. They would have to drive them in this limping mode until the dealer could confirm the cause, and then if the mileage was low enough the 'repair' was covered under warranty.

2017+ Siennas have the dual injection (DI + PFI) engine. I have not done research on problems this evolution brought along with it. I think the OP would like to know about this.

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#4786183 - 06/13/18 07:47 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: KrisZ]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41773
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
IMO, anybody looking for a minivan and skipping the Pacifica because it's an FCA product, is doing themselves a disservice.
In terms of reliability all three manufacturers are pretty much neck in neck in this segment.


The T&C was high on our list - final running was Odyssey vs T&C, not the Sienna.

But I haven't looked into the Pacifica enough. It looks smaller, but not sure that's true. Assuming it's following the T&C strategy, I'd agree.

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#4786295 - 06/13/18 10:27 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
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Registered: 12/30/06
Posts: 18157
Loc: Dallas,Tx USA
Out of all the mini vans I like the Odysseys because they have kind've a sporty look to them.
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#4786618 - 06/14/18 11:31 AM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: FL-400S]
carguy996 Offline


Registered: 10/26/06
Posts: 260
Loc: Illinois
I've been very pleased with my 2014 Odyssey, its reliable, plenty of power and gets great economy on the road. I find the seats to be incredibly comfortable for long trips and the suspension on the Elite model we have is firmer and has a great ride. The infotainment system is very dated but it works. We seriously considered a Sienna, after a back to back test drive, the Sienna was softer sprung with very soft seats. The Sienna felt more like a Buick, the Honda had firmer seats and a firmer suspension, and drives like a heavier Accord. The Odyssey isn't without its flaws, I find the interior plastics to be on the cheap side in the 14-17 models, while its of good quality, it looks a tad out of place in a vehicle of that price point. The Sienna seemed to have a slightly better quality interior with a few fake wood touches here and there. I recently looked at a 2018 Odyssey while my middle seat recall was being done....cost cutting measures were clearly visible on the 18 model. The interior plastics had an awful feel to them and looked incredibly cheap for a vehicle with a $48,000 sticker, they looked like they would have been better suited on the Civic. Also, the rear seat in the 18 model looked incredibly plain. If I were going to buy a new 2018 minivan, I might look at a pre-owned Pacifica Limited because of their severe first year depreciation before going with the Honda....The Odyssey had a real high end interior up until the 2011 model came out, the plastics appear to get cheaper with each new generation.


Edited by carguy996 (06/14/18 11:32 AM)
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#4786912 - 06/14/18 06:17 PM Re: 14-16 Toyota Sienna vs 17-18 (and Honda Odyssey) [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 5716
Loc: Durango, Co
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
2018 Sienna has the same 3.5L 2GR-FE V6 that they started putting in the Avalon in 2004 and the Camry and then on in other cars. They've just tweaked it over the years.


Itís a 2gr-fks it has port and direct injection, modified Atkinson cycle capable same as the Tacoma but with its own mapping for the minivan.
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