Recent Topics
Castrol 0w40 no longer LL-01 ?
by Ndx - 08/24/19 02:32 PM
Different TGMO bottles?
by gwiffer - 08/24/19 02:07 PM
Oil change before car sitting 1 year?
by clarkflower - 08/24/19 12:47 PM
Havoline Smart Change on RB
by Mad_Hatter - 08/24/19 11:54 AM
TFL Truck testing Rotella Gas Truck.
by A_Harman - 08/24/19 11:34 AM
01 Nissan Sentra 2.0 AC issue
by Mark72 - 08/24/19 11:21 AM
I should have bought that Daewoo
by 5AcresAndAFool - 08/24/19 10:24 AM
Any one tried one of these ?
by WyrTwister - 08/24/19 10:02 AM
Correct Temps to Check ATF Fill
by Gebo - 08/24/19 09:48 AM
Wonder how much $ ice cream trucks make?
by Chris142 - 08/24/19 09:45 AM
Like tinkering on cars? Start young.
by BMWTurboDzl - 08/24/19 09:14 AM
Pumkin
by Eddie - 08/24/19 09:02 AM
Any GTO Owners On Here?
by oilpsi2high - 08/24/19 08:34 AM
Does Anyone Sim-Race?
by RayCJ - 08/24/19 06:56 AM
Oil recommendation for 2014 2.5l Suburu Forester
by tomartomau - 08/23/19 11:32 PM
Castrol 5W50
by Snagglefoot - 08/23/19 11:29 PM
Camry Broke Down
by Nick1994 - 08/23/19 10:51 PM
Newest Members
Boogyman, GeoffPD, CabanaBanana, tblack, goldenjava
69048 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
75 registered members (Aredeeem, ArrestMeRedZ, 9050lx, 4WD, 53' Stude, 2015_PSD, 4 invisible), 2,361 guests, and 22 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics293,732
Posts5,045,826
Members69,048
Most Online3,532
Jul 30th, 2019
Donate to BITOG
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
brief history of european motor oil #4782699 06/10/18 02:57 AM
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
F
Franz Offline OP
OP Offline
F
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
Hi everybody!

I just wanted to give you guys a Brief overview of the history of engien oil for european cars, which diffred quite a bit from US engien oils! Beginning in the 1970s we had mostly 10w50 and 20w50 oils apart from straight grades the multigrades had so much viscosity improvers that they broke down after a few thousand Kilometers to 10w30 and didn´t lubricate very well! Castrol offered the first 15w50 with GTX2 in 1975 and all other companies like MOBIL Shell Total ... followed! Mobil offered the first full synthetic named SHC in 1973. More syntzetics of the 70s were AGIP SINT 2000 10w50, ELAN ester Super GTE 10w50, CASTROL RS 15w50 and MOBIL 1 5w20 the first fuel economy oil in 1977! The Goal of more fuel economy were the 10w30 so called "Light Running oils" in the 1980s which were also available in 10w40! Typically Brands were Shell TMO, BP STRATO; Fina EKOFINA, CASTROL TXT and many others in 10w30 and 10w40 grades! The typically premium oil of the 80s was in 15w40 grade the first was mMOBIL super FORMULA and CASTROL GTX2 TURBO approved! 15w40 was the grade for all cars in the 80s and early 90s! One of the most poular oils in europe was CASTROL GTX3 15w40! Beginning in the 90s was the synthetic oil wave with the super oils and grades like MOBIL 1 5w50, Castrol RS 10w60, Agip Sint 2000 10w40, Castrol TXT 5w40! The viscosity was lowered to 5w30 for Synthetics in 1995 and CAstrol SLX was the first 0w30 grade for best fuel economy! A year later Mobil offred the first 0w40 Motor oil, ARAL;SHELL,Agip, BP Esso and all other Brands offered 0w30 and 0w40 full Synthetics as their premium oils! Until today we still have 10w40 in use but the most recommended oils are 5w30s in different shapes like high peerformance cars or especially for Diesel particulate Filters! The CCMC specification which was introduced in the late 70s for european engines and was much thougher than tthe API Rating was dropped in favour of the ACEA SPecs in 1996! The 10w30 viscosity which is still popular in the USA I guess was dropped here in europe beginning in 1990 in favour of 10w40! If you have any comments or Information I would appreciate your Messages, I hope this was a Little interesting Information!

Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782704 06/10/18 03:17 AM
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,329
Marco620 Online Content
Online Content
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,329
Very interesting ! confused


15' Civic 1.8 i-vtec 262,000 mi Redline 5w20, BP Cvt fluid, Archoil9100
Tornado Chaser/Doberman Whisperer
Son of a Navy Corpsman.


Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782707 06/10/18 03:22 AM
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 2,927
K
Kamele0N Offline
Offline
K
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 2,927
Nice! I would say that 3/4 of EU oils (roughly) nowadays are in 5w30 grade....and are somehow "green" oriented (fuel economy or DPF oriented)....

I find it funny when Iam reading BITOG and they are using 10w30 oils...since this grade here in EU is somehow reserved for agricultural use smile


2008 Toyota Yaris 1ND-TV 1.4 D4-D Tech9 5W30 C3 VW 504/507
1997 Toyota Landcruiser KZJ95 3.0 TD Elf Evolution NF900 5W40
Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782710 06/10/18 03:48 AM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 4,257
F
Falcon_LS Offline
Offline
F
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 4,257
Welcome on board, and thank you for the interesting insight into motor oil in Europe! thumbsup

Personally, I stick with ACEA specifications with an HTHS of 3.5+ cP in everything that I own - A3/B4 as a bare minimum, but slowly making the switch to C3. Even better if it comes with manufacturer approvals, such as the likes of MB Sheet 229.51 and VAG 507.00.


Petro-Canada Duron HP 15W-40 CK-4/SN
99 Explorer: H17W02
00 Pajero: XG9688
01 Grand Marquis: XG2
05 Envoy: XG9837

Motorcraft 5W-50:
18 Mustang GT: XG10575
Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782726 06/10/18 04:58 AM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 4,943
S
SR5 Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 4,943
Hi Mate, Welcome !!

Thanks for the write up. I'm glad someone else remembers the CCMC spec Castrol TXT 10W40, I remember when it first came out in Australia and I gave it a run in my motorcycles. It was great !! Compared to GTX 20W50 it sheared less and gave much better gear changes, it allowed me to extend my OCI to almost double compared to mineral GTX.

I used nothing but TXT 10W40 until they stopped selling it and then Castrol replaced it with FormulaRS or R in two flavours 0W40 & 10W60 and then replaced it again with Castrol Edge this time in four flavours 5W30, 0W40, 10W60 and 25W50.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Castrol Edge 10W30 A5/B5 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Falcon_LS] #4782733 06/10/18 05:27 AM
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
F
Franz Offline OP
OP Offline
F
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
I also personally use oils in my gasolines which cover the high rated MB 229.5 and now upcoming 229.6 which are for high Performance gasolines but not for diesels with particulate filters! You can use C3 oils for gasolines as well as they cover A3B4! As Long as I don´t drive a diesel I´ll stick to a3b4 or a5b5!

Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: SR5] #4782735 06/10/18 05:31 AM
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
F
Franz Offline OP
OP Offline
F
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
If you ever find some of the old TXT R or RS bottles please let me know I am buying them if you would ship them, I would pay good Price!

Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782781 06/10/18 07:06 AM
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,780
S
Snagglefoot Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,780
Thanks. Good to know the history. . I can easily see why the Europeans defend their higher vis oils.


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782836 06/10/18 08:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,242
R
ragtoplvr Offline
Offline
R
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,242
Here 10W40 lost favor in the 80 because of some famous brands of Pennsylvania crude that, in my opinion , broke down. Then stuck the rings to the pistons, followed by high oil consumption and low power. I was good for me, lots of wrecking yard cores to rebuild with low bore wear. You should have seen the lawn mower engines, I rebuilt many iron block Kohlers that the pistons were coked and rings stuck and overheated from blowby. Quick hone, new piston, new rings, good cleaning, and ready to go.

Those same companies learned and now offer very high quality oils. But not then.

10W40 was ruined forever due to corporate greed.

In the USA

Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: ragtoplvr] #4782842 06/10/18 08:23 AM
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
F
Franz Offline OP
OP Offline
F
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
You´re Right the 10w40 in the USA needed much VI improvers and they made rings stick, therefor 10w30 was preferd over 10w40!

Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782845 06/10/18 08:27 AM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 591
Driz Offline
Offline
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 591
All I know is that what they pay for their oil is downright insane . No wonder they don’t want to change it often. I’ll see if I can find a pic or two I snapped in a German supermarket last summer. IIRC something on the order of $40 for a 4L jug!

Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782847 06/10/18 08:28 AM
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 619
N
nap Offline
Offline
N
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 619
But all those 10W40 were meeting API specs, weren’t they?

Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Franz] #4782852 06/10/18 08:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,267
E
edwardh1 Online Happy
Online Happy
E
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,267
why do German cars seem to have so many different specific oil specs, but the Japanese seem to have less (and many Japanese engines run a long time)


These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year
Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: Driz] #4782856 06/10/18 08:35 AM
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
F
Franz Offline OP
OP Offline
F
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
Hi! Must have been a cheap one 40 Euro here for 4 Liter jug is not that bad, the Company I work for (we sell and repair citroen Nissan and hyundai) sells ONE Liter oil TOTAL 5w30 ACEA SPEC C3 for 38 Euro (About 40 Dollar) and the 0w30 Version sells over 42 Euro, note that´s the Price for ONE Liter!

Re: brief history of european motor oil [Re: nap] #4782862 06/10/18 08:42 AM
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
F
Franz Offline OP
OP Offline
F
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 64
Yes the API Rating is and was Always very important on european oil cans!

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™