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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4781385 06/08/18 01:56 PM
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American Standard and Trane are mechanically/electrically the same. Only difference is the paint job, maybe the warranty, maybe the price.

Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: rshaw125] #4781408 06/08/18 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
So the system works fine when it's charged? I would want to know where the leak is first. R12 is plentiful and easy to get because they have been recovering it for years. $100 a pound? Nonsense. 30 pound cylinders can be had for $200.


R-12 is only used in automobile air conditioners, refrigerators and some older window unit A/Cs. Newer vehicles use R-134a or a similar replacement "freon". R-22 is the refrigerant used in older home central air conditioners. R-22 has been phased out in favor of R-410 since 2010. R-22 will be fully banned in the U.S. in 2020.

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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4781438 06/08/18 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Tdbo
We have a 3 ton 13 SEER Ruud A/C system circa 2001 that started short cycling on Sunday.
Had my tech up today. Got the news that I knew was coming.
Leaking R-12, not totally empty, but is going to need more than a dribble at $100/lb.
I figure that recharging with a leak is ridiculous at a hundo a pound, labor to track it down isn't cheap (and not always successful) and at 17 years, I know the equipment is about played out.
So now looking at replacement. He has access to Tempstar (Carrier), American Standard (Trane) or he may be able to access another Ruud. Looking at $3600.installed.
I'm looking at going with another 13 SEER, all three are mid grade equipment, per my request.
He is recommending the Tempstar. I'm not really brand specific. Out of the litter presented, opinions please.


Tempstar is a line within International Comfort Products, a unit of United Technologies as is Heil. I had a 17 year old Heil and asked same HVAC outfit to replace (did not wait for it to go out). they put in a Comfort Maker (same as Heil) Went from a 13 SEER to 16 SEER but the two stage works well in the south. (Old system was single stage)
Dropped $100/month even more July/August
Very quiet

Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4781439 06/08/18 03:06 PM
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Is Ruud a good brand A/C unit ?

Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Nukeman7] #4781607 06/08/18 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nukeman7
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
So the system works fine when it's charged? I would want to know where the leak is first. R12 is plentiful and easy to get because they have been recovering it for years. $100 a pound? Nonsense. 30 pound cylinders can be had for $200.


R-12 is only used in automobile air conditioners, refrigerators and some older window unit A/Cs. Newer vehicles use R-134a or a similar replacement "freon". R-22 is the refrigerant used in older home central air conditioners. R-22 has been phased out in favor of R-410 since 2010. R-22 will be fully banned in the U.S. in 2020.



My typo. I meant R-22.


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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Mr Nice] #4781613 06/08/18 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Is Ruud a good brand A/C unit ?


I have been happy with it. It ran 24/7 Spring, Summer, and Fall for 17 years.
Kept Mrs. Tdbo happy, and saved me having to listen to a whole lot of noise.
It was quite an upgrade from what I was being quoted from four different companies.
I did my homework at the time, and it was one of the best mid-grade units out there.
However, this time Tempstar wins. It goes in tomorrow.


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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4781658 06/08/18 06:56 PM
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Ive got a Day & Night (Carrier), same as Tempstar, thats 7 years old and the evaporator cool is leaking. Gonna call the A/C guy out this week to top it off again this year.


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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4782131 06/09/18 10:02 AM
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I had a 2 ton Lennox installed two weeks ago with the indoor coil. It was $4100. Seer 17

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