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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4781385
06/08/18 02:56 PM
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American Standard and Trane are mechanically/electrically the same. Only difference is the paint job, maybe the warranty, maybe the price.

Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: rshaw125] #4781408
06/08/18 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
So the system works fine when it's charged? I would want to know where the leak is first. R12 is plentiful and easy to get because they have been recovering it for years. $100 a pound? Nonsense. 30 pound cylinders can be had for $200.


R-12 is only used in automobile air conditioners, refrigerators and some older window unit A/Cs. Newer vehicles use R-134a or a similar replacement "freon". R-22 is the refrigerant used in older home central air conditioners. R-22 has been phased out in favor of R-410 since 2010. R-22 will be fully banned in the U.S. in 2020.

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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4781438
06/08/18 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Tdbo
We have a 3 ton 13 SEER Ruud A/C system circa 2001 that started short cycling on Sunday.
Had my tech up today. Got the news that I knew was coming.
Leaking R-12, not totally empty, but is going to need more than a dribble at $100/lb.
I figure that recharging with a leak is ridiculous at a hundo a pound, labor to track it down isn't cheap (and not always successful) and at 17 years, I know the equipment is about played out.
So now looking at replacement. He has access to Tempstar (Carrier), American Standard (Trane) or he may be able to access another Ruud. Looking at $3600.installed.
I'm looking at going with another 13 SEER, all three are mid grade equipment, per my request.
He is recommending the Tempstar. I'm not really brand specific. Out of the litter presented, opinions please.


Tempstar is a line within International Comfort Products, a unit of United Technologies … as is Heil. I had a 17 year old Heil and asked same HVAC outfit to replace (did not wait for it to go out). … they put in a Comfort Maker (same as Heil) … Went from a 13 SEER to 16 SEER but the two stage works well in the south. (Old system was single stage)
Dropped $100/month … even more July/August …
Very quiet …

Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4781439
06/08/18 04:06 PM
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Is Ruud a good brand A/C unit ?

Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Nukeman7] #4781607
06/08/18 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nukeman7
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
So the system works fine when it's charged? I would want to know where the leak is first. R12 is plentiful and easy to get because they have been recovering it for years. $100 a pound? Nonsense. 30 pound cylinders can be had for $200.


R-12 is only used in automobile air conditioners, refrigerators and some older window unit A/Cs. Newer vehicles use R-134a or a similar replacement "freon". R-22 is the refrigerant used in older home central air conditioners. R-22 has been phased out in favor of R-410 since 2010. R-22 will be fully banned in the U.S. in 2020.



My typo. I meant R-22.


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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Mr Nice] #4781613
06/08/18 07:07 PM
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Ohio
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Is Ruud a good brand A/C unit ?


I have been happy with it. It ran 24/7 Spring, Summer, and Fall for 17 years.
Kept Mrs. Tdbo happy, and saved me having to listen to a whole lot of noise.
It was quite an upgrade from what I was being quoted from four different companies.
I did my homework at the time, and it was one of the best mid-grade units out there.
However, this time Tempstar wins. It goes in tomorrow.


2012 Honda Accord LX-P 97K
2008 Ford Mustang Pony Package Convertible 17K
2006 Honda Odyssey EX-L 77K
2003 Ford Ranger 3.0 Supercab 118K
Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4781658
06/08/18 07:56 PM
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I’ve got a Day & Night (Carrier), same as Tempstar, that’s 7 years old and the evaporator cool is leaking. Gonna call the A/C guy out this week to top it off again this year.


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Re: Unfortunately, It's new A/C time [Re: Tdbo] #4782131
06/09/18 11:02 AM
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Chatham, Ontario, Canada
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I had a 2 ton Lennox installed two weeks ago with the indoor coil. It was $4100. Seer 17

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