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#4781357 - 06/08/18 02:25 PM Could you live "off the grid"?
ZZman Offline


Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 5911
Loc: Michigan
I often watch shows where people want to live off the grid in the boonies. I like the use of solar and wind power to do it. Not so keen on some water systems and sanitation solutions.

As long as I could have Satellite TV and Internet it sounds intriguing. But would that be like cheating?

How about you guys?
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#4781373 - 06/08/18 02:41 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
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Registered: 07/11/15
Posts: 3691
Loc: New England
Id be fine but would have to live like tons of people who live in third world in close to off grid in terms of little/no electricity and easy water supply BUT own a smartphone.

No interest in TV. As kid my grandparents summer place in NH mountains had a attached privy for toilet and due to elevation a nearby uphill spring fed into small water tank which in turn we ran a waterline directly to house and got decent pressure. No electricity but propane for cooking.

My version of off grid!

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#4781374 - 06/08/18 02:44 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
Leo99 Offline


Registered: 03/30/14
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Loc: NJ
I think any of us could. It's a matter of would we want to. I love electricity and running water.

The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization. R.W.E.
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#4781383 - 06/08/18 02:54 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
SirTanon Offline


Registered: 06/23/14
Posts: 2347
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona - USA
Nope. I use the internet WAY too much for so many things to be able/willing to live without it.
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#4781384 - 06/08/18 02:55 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: Leo99]
Bud Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1808
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Leo99
I think any of us could. It's a matter of would we want to. I love electricity and running water.

The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization. R.W.E.


This
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#4781392 - 06/08/18 03:06 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
brianl703 Offline


Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 10597
Loc: Nokesville, VA
Originally Posted By: ZZman
I often watch shows where people want to live off the grid in the boonies. I like the use of solar and wind power to do it. Not so keen on some water systems and sanitation solutions.


I could run both my well pump and my septic system off of solar power(I've run the well pump off a 1500W inverter already). If I cleaned up the hard water stains and you never looked outside to see the septic tank risers and the wellhead, you wouldn't know my house wasn't on public water/sewer.

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#4781397 - 06/08/18 03:11 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
pandus13 Offline


Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 3345
Loc: Chicago,IL,USA
I did...
Not interested anymore.

The most important are:
clean water,
some water (cleaning, occasional bath)
food/preserving
close to some road
safety
access to emergency services.

Now my 2 experiences:
1. Granma's (my dad side) house:
-clay built house
-no electricity (too poor for that); no fridge
-water from 50+ meters deep well; manual wheel chain drive...
-outhouse in the "garden"; about 50 meters from the house; a joy for a 5 years old boy during the dark night; newspapers where rare so all kind of leaves for...
-every meal cooked on top of cast iron oven; plenty of smoke...
-some thicks from raising animals..

2. 2 summer guarding and caring 2ha. of watermelon:
-makeshift tent/cube
-carry clean water from 7 km, 20 L at a time; me fit
-sleep on the ground
-other water was in the groove, "next door".
-mices galore (former wheat culture)
-no power, so no fridge/tv/radio; battery powered radio, well had to save the batteries
-no gas; cook with makeshift grill
-only eat what you can carry; extra bonus only when watermelons ripe
-potty was away from the "tent" or a whole dig in the groove "next door"
-windy/humid/cold
-chasing away at night the many guys wanting a free watermelon (talk about looking over your shoulder while passing trough that village during the day)
-plenty of blisters, sometime with blood, couple heat exhaustion, sun burned (cause no shirt no hat to "toughen up") , no water 'till I finished whatever task to "toughen up"

Instead I would just go minimal in a quiet neighborhood/suburb close to a big town with good hospital/other services.
Do the "grumpy neighbor" routine couple times and nobody would want to be close to you...
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#4781398 - 06/08/18 03:11 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: brianl703]
EdwardC Offline


Registered: 11/14/13
Posts: 1903
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: ZZman
I often watch shows where people want to live off the grid in the boonies. I like the use of solar and wind power to do it. Not so keen on some water systems and sanitation solutions.


I could run both my well pump and my septic system off of solar power(I've run the well pump off a 1500W inverter already). If I cleaned up the hard water stains and you never looked outside to see the septic tank risers and the wellhead, you wouldn't know my house wasn't on public water/sewer.


Exactly, with the right setup and initial investment, you could easily live day to day as you do on the grid (also assuming you live in an appropriate locale). Off the grid just means disconnected electrical utility, and arguably disconnected from all public utilities. It doesn't mean that you disconnect from society/news/internet.

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#4781406 - 06/08/18 03:23 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
ammolab Offline


Registered: 01/16/06
Posts: 1016
Loc: Ruidoso, NM USA
I will find out soon....the soldier canyon wild fire will cut off power to our town in 30 minutes!
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#4781418 - 06/08/18 03:41 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
Imp4 Offline


Registered: 04/06/18
Posts: 340
Loc: Somewhere in time
Originally Posted By: ZZman
As long as I could have Satellite TV and Internet it sounds intriguing. But would that be like cheating?

How about you guys?

Isn't this kinda like saying 'As long as I can have apple pie and marshmallows, I can absolutely live sugar free!'.
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#4781424 - 06/08/18 03:47 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
BrocLuno Offline


Registered: 09/06/15
Posts: 5709
Loc: Kalifornia Kollective
I think the ideal is to spread out enough that each of us could have 1~2 acres within 1 hour of a town or small city ... Rural electric if available, or solar/batteries/inverter/generator and good well. Septic system laid out well away from the home. Good perc.

That would make it a mostly "semi-closed" loop. Water up and through the system and back into the ground. Some lost to irrigation, etc. Heat from the "system" captured as much as possible (heat exchanger on the genny, etc.) for cold foul days w/o enough sunlight ...

Food bought in and collected locally, neighbor sharing.

TV/I'Net via satellite or cable. In the ideal world we'd all have fiber optic to the door. Emergency services in the town with a decent Hosp within the one hours radius.

Live as you want. Mind your pollution. Don't build and fire cannons at your neighbors. Share big resources like a bull-dozer, etc. Share your kitchen garden with neighbors, etc.

Not "off the grid", just on the fringe - oh, that's how we live now ... smile
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#4781445 - 06/08/18 04:11 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 13764
Loc: Illinois
I the mid to late 50s my family lived off the grid for 2 years. We lived in southern Missouri near Summersville. We lived in the country and had electricy but no running water. Just a 20 ft cistern. We had a wood stove for heat, and no AC, but a very nice outhouse.
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#4781451 - 06/08/18 04:16 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
SirTanon Offline


Registered: 06/23/14
Posts: 2347
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona - USA
I don't need water or power. Just this ashtray... And this paddle game. - The ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need... And this remote control. - The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need... And these matches. - The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control, and the paddle ball... And this lamp.
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#4781457 - 06/08/18 04:25 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6912
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: ZZman
I often watch shows where people want to live off the grid in the boonies. I like the use of solar and wind power to do it. Not so keen on some water systems and sanitation solutions.

As long as I could have Satellite TV and Internet it sounds intriguing. But would that be like cheating?

How about you guys?


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#4781459 - 06/08/18 04:27 PM Re: Could you live "off the grid"? [Re: ZZman]
Rmay635703 Offline


Registered: 04/24/18
Posts: 93
Loc: Wisconsin
Yes I could, if I had a supply of natural gas or propane anyway.

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