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#4776135 - 06/03/18 09:21 AM Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM?
cheesepuffs Offline


Registered: 09/24/13
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Loc: Connecticut
I remember a few years ago before Maxlife blend became resource conserving, people liked that it was on the thick side for its grade. It was commonly known that high mileage oils ran a bit thick. Now with Platinum HM, Maxlife Syn HM, etc, are these modern synthetic HM oils still thicker than their regular synthetic counterparts? Or is that a thing of the past.
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#4776200 - 06/03/18 10:50 AM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: cheesepuffs]
mx5miata Offline


Registered: 03/28/10
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I never heard of high mileage oil being thicker just additives like seal conditioner. if the oil is 5w30 its a 5w30 high mileage or non. of what I know anyway.
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#4776220 - 06/03/18 11:14 AM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: cheesepuffs]
ka9mnx Offline


Registered: 05/21/18
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Some are, yes. I'm only familiar with Mobil1 products.

Mobil1 5w-30 has an HTHS of 3.1 and Mobil1 HM 5w-30 is 3.1 so they are basically the same

Mobil1 10w-30 has an HTHS of 3.0 and Mobil1 HM 10w-30 is 3.5 so the HM is thicker.

I could be wrong but I believe HTHS is what defines a "thicker/thinner" oil. With than thinking Mobil1 10w-30 is thinner than 5w-30 at operating temps.

So it's not an easy blanket answer. You have to check the spec's.

On the other hand, The 5w-30 [email protected] is 11.0 and the HM is 12.1 which would make the HM thicker at op temps.

Someone help me out here!
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#4776222 - 06/03/18 11:15 AM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: cheesepuffs]
rollinpete Offline


Registered: 03/20/17
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Two that I know of with a higher viscosity are Mobil 1 syn. hm 5w30 and 10w30,
there higher than there reg.syn. counter parts.
Here's a list of oil's I've used or have in my stash.

A. Mobil 1 5w30 fullsyn. 100(11.) 40(61.7) vi index (172)
B. Mobil 1 10w30 fulsyn. 100(10.1) 40(63.2) vi index (146)
C. Pennzoil 5w30 platinum syn. 100(10.3) 40(56.9) vi index (170)
D. Pennzoil 10w30 platinum syn. 100(10.3) 40(63.3) vi index (150)
E. Valvoline 10w30 fullsyn. maxlife hm. 100(10.8) 40(67.2) vi index (151)
F. Valvoline 5w30 fullsyn. maxlife hm. 10(10.1) 40(59.0) vi index (160)
G. Valvoline 5w30 full synpower 100(10.2) 40(60.1) vi index (158)
H. Valvoline 10w30 full synpower 100(10.8) 40(66.8) vi index (151)
I. Pennzoil 5w30 platinum syn. hm. 100(10.1) 40(55.6) vi index (170)
J. Pennzoil 10w30 platinum syn. hm. 100(10.6) 40(65.1) vi index (152)
K.Pennzoil 0w40 platinum syn. euro 100(13.0) 40(72.2) vi index (183)
L. Castrol gtx magnatec 5w30 100(11.2) 40(68.6) vi index (156)
M. Castrol gtx magnatec 10w30 100(11.6) 40(71.51) vi index (157)
N. Mobil 1 HM fullsyn. 5w30 100(12.1) 40(72) vi index (165)
O. Mobil 1 HM fullsyn. 10w30 100(12.1) 40(78) vi index (149)
P. Quaker state Ultimate Dur. syn. 5w30 100(10.8) 40(60) vi index (178)
Q. Quaker state Ulitimate Dur. syn. 10w30 100(10.3) 40(61) vi index (157)
R. Quaker state hm. synblend 5w30 100(10.7) 40(63.3) vi index (159)
S. Quaker state hm. synblend 10w30 100(10.5) 40(68.4) vi index (141)
T. Pennzoil ultra Platinum syn 5w30 100(10.3 40(56.3) vi index (173)
U. Pennzoil ultra Platinum syn 10w30 100(10.4) 40(62.8) vi index (155)
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#4776231 - 06/03/18 11:28 AM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: cheesepuffs]
Indydriver Offline


Registered: 03/20/11
Posts: 2180
Loc: Indiana
Mobil 1 says:

“(HM has a) higher base oil viscosity to help reduce leaks and provide better high temperature protection”

For 5W-30, XOM publishes these viscosity specs:

At 40C: HM=72 / STD = 61.7
At 100C: HM=12.1 / STD = 11.0

So, one must conclude that yes, at least at Mobil1, HMs have higher viscosity or are “thicker” as you say.
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#4776305 - 06/03/18 01:49 PM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: cheesepuffs]
KCJeep Offline


Registered: 06/30/11
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A few still are. Last I was aware of, Castrol HM, M1 HM and Pennzoil HM were all on the thick side of grade and thicker than their regular line up counterparts.
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#4777080 - 06/04/18 10:21 AM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: cheesepuffs]
mx5miata Offline


Registered: 03/28/10
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Loc: NY
Wow API allows this approved

So I buy 5w30 High mileage and I'm not pouring 5w30, what weight is it?

Since I can't scientifically answer this my guess would be the additive pack in high mileage oils changes its properties at different temperatures and stress loads while maintaining its characteristics of the specified weight.


Edited by mx5miata (06/04/18 10:21 AM)
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#4777123 - 06/04/18 10:58 AM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: mx5miata]
cheesepuffs Offline


Registered: 09/24/13
Posts: 582
Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: mx5miata
Wow API allows this approved

So I buy 5w30 High mileage and I'm not pouring 5w30, what weight is it?

Since I can't scientifically answer this my guess would be the additive pack in high mileage oils changes its properties at different temperatures and stress loads while maintaining its characteristics of the specified weight.


There is a tolerance for each grade. You can have two different 30 weight oils that are still slightly different but still fall within range to be called a 30 weight.
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#4777125 - 06/04/18 11:01 AM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: mx5miata]
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Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 4969
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Originally Posted By: mx5miata
Wow API allows this approved

So I buy 5w30 High mileage and I'm not pouring 5w30, what weight is it?

Since I can't scientifically answer this my guess would be the additive pack in high mileage oils changes its properties at different temperatures and stress loads while maintaining its characteristics of the specified weight.




Just in case you haven’t seen this;

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/viscosity-charts/
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#4777166 - 06/04/18 11:45 AM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: cheesepuffs]
mx5miata Offline


Registered: 03/28/10
Posts: 654
Loc: NY
thanks guys very interesting learn something new each day smile
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#4778556 - 06/05/18 08:41 PM Re: Are today's full syn HM oils thicker than non-HM? [Re: cheesepuffs]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 25026
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Some are, these days, most are not. If they're ILSAC rated, they won't be appreciably thicker than their non-HM brothers.
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