Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 EP Compared
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The Schaeffers 7000 really looks good doesn't it. Unfortunately buying in small quantities almost doubles the cost because of shipping and I'd have about 2 years worth of oil...quote:
Originally posted by buster:
Nice. I'm dissapointed in the M1 EP oils. I'm sure they are good, but they could be better. I'm looking into Schaeffer's.
I don't have any Shaeffers but if someone wants to send me some I'll run it.
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I just got some of the Schaeffers 7000 5W-30. How much would you need? PM me and let me know how much and where to send it...
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Originally posted by MolaKule:
I sent my order in today...Can I get it by the gallon?
Bob W.
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Before I pay extra for these gimmick oils I would choose either Redline, Schaeffer's, or Chevron Supreme. [/QB]
The real battle is for shelf space.
At the dealer/garage level these boutique brews aren't really significant, but at the do-it-yourself outlets - Walmart, Autozone, Advance Auto Parts, Kragen, Checkers, Pep Boys, etc - they're lined up on the shelf. The brand with three niches gets a leg up on the brand with two.
The explosion in niches should drive fringe brands like Red Line off the shelves altogether, and cause some chains to drop one or more national brands as well. They might choose to carry Pennzoil but not Quaker State, for example.
This is the same thing driving the consolidation of companies behind the brands. If you own both Pennzoil and Quaker State, you really don't care if they drop one. And if they carry both, it's gravy.
Of course, in the end this all translates into market share.
I thought part of the new EP oil was higher level of the "supersyn" component? I'm assuming this is to help it stay in grade over the long haul. If there is more to oil than the additives then maybe the EP oil is better??? It appears that GC has lower additive levels than people expect but it does a great job anyway. Maybe the base oil is the trick here.
Thanks Stinky
It looks like EP has higher zinc & phosphorus, but lower moly over the regular. What effect will this have in high-performance engines (track)? And does this have a bad affect on the catalytic convertor on the street?
Are calcium, magnesium and boron levels all up in the EP? Or is the regularly M1 levels down?
I'm not familiar with the typical numbers which is why I ask.
Are calcium, magnesium and boron levels all up in the EP? Or is the regularly M1 levels down?
I'm not familiar with the typical numbers which is why I ask.
I don't quite follow you.
You're saying that the M1 EP, which is API SL has higher zinc and thus doesn't get the starburst GF-4 because it doesn't meet the requirements for catalytic convertor lifetime?
You're saying that the M1 EP, which is API SL has higher zinc and thus doesn't get the starburst GF-4 because it doesn't meet the requirements for catalytic convertor lifetime?
I've been tempted to buy the new M1 EP oil, but I have three oil changes of GC on hand. I think I'll wait even longer!
I'm interested in this business about the ZDDP being harmful to the cat. Any way to qualify/quantify where the levels in EP are?
Like many cars, my M3 has an expensive cat (something like $1400) and I've never replaced one on any car I've ever owned. I wouldn't want to shorten it's lifetime unnecessarily...
Like many cars, my M3 has an expensive cat (something like $1400) and I've never replaced one on any car I've ever owned. I wouldn't want to shorten it's lifetime unnecessarily...
Could be. But I could see a manufacturer calling it abuse if you didn't use oil that met their specs...
In some cars it just won't make much difference. It's dependant on how much oil you consume. If you've got a tight motor it will probably be hard to poison the Cat regardless of what you use. I've never topped up except for normal LC adds. Dino, synth or blend all stay put. Toyota 1.8L 2zz and I use the 8k+ redline almost every day.
I thought as long as the car doesn't burn any oil.....the amount of ZDDP doesn't really matter??
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