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#4774314 - 06/01/18 10:45 AM I made a realization, and I don't care.
dogememe Offline


Registered: 04/15/17
Posts: 614
Loc: SF BAY AREA, CA
I care so much about putting full synthetic oil and quality fluids in my Crown Vic. My next oil change is going to be with Royal Purple HPS, so that's like a $60 oil change. Why, when the first 120k+ miles of its life it got beat on as a police car with probably cheap bulk oil out of a 55 gallon drum? A lot of people on here put expensive or at least quality oil in their car that they bought used with over 100k miles so half its life who knows what it got?

But you know what, at the end of the day, it makes us happy, and gives us satisfaction, so it's worth it.
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#4774323 - 06/01/18 10:57 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
wemay Online   happy


Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 8904
Loc: Southeast Florida
Nothing wrong with that. cheers
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#4774325 - 06/01/18 10:57 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
BrianF Offline


Registered: 02/25/15
Posts: 552
Loc: Sask, Canada
Amsoil signature series changed at 3000 mile intervals while using a bypass filtration setup because its cheap insurance.

Its easy to get sucked into that rhetoric. Who cares.
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#4774331 - 06/01/18 11:02 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: BrianF]
dogememe Offline


Registered: 04/15/17
Posts: 614
Loc: SF BAY AREA, CA
Originally Posted By: BrianF
Amsoil signature series changed at 3000 mile intervals while using a bypass filtration setup because its cheap insurance.

Its easy to get sucked into that rhetoric. Who cares.


Right, if you buy a Corolla with 100K miles, and you sell it at 200K miles, there is no difference in the condition of the engine or resale value whether you use store brand conventional every 5k miles or Amsoil every 3K miles. BUT, it made you happy, so at the end of the day, who cares?
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#4774337 - 06/01/18 11:08 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
69GTX Offline


Registered: 09/23/15
Posts: 3815
Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: dogememe
Originally Posted By: BrianF
Amsoil signature series changed at 3000 mile intervals while using a bypass filtration setup because its cheap insurance.

Its easy to get sucked into that rhetoric. Who cares.


Right, if you buy a Corolla with 100K miles, and you sell it at 200K miles, there is no difference in the condition of the engine or resale value whether you use store brand conventional every 5k miles or Amsoil every 3K miles. BUT, it made you happy, so at the end of the day, who cares?


No way to say that the last 100K miles on synthetic provided no benefit to that engine with regards to wear, sludge, etc. If the OCI's were similar, it's quite likely the synthetic would provide some benefit over conventional. With dealers buying cars I'd agree...they don't care. With me buying from a private party, I'd sure as heck pay more for your vehicle if I know (and you could prove) that quality synthetic oils were used the entire time. That would also be a reflection on how you treated your car as a whole. It might not be a big premium I'd pay....but I would pay one.
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#4774340 - 06/01/18 11:09 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
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Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 2776
Loc: Wet side WA
If it works for you that's all that matters.
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#4774354 - 06/01/18 11:21 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
emmett442 Offline


Registered: 12/07/16
Posts: 177
Loc: Wisconsin
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
If it works for you that's all that matters.


Absolutely, and that's the problem. Everyone's anecdotal inputs end in success. Everything works for everyone. No one has been able to show that they've destroyed their vehicle because of their choice in fluids.

As mentioned, most of the world uses whatever fluids are bulk/cheapest, and their wheels still turn without incident. BITOG does NOT have the world's collection of longest lasting engines.


At the end of their useful lives, most vehicles crossing the junkyard gates run wonderfully. They were probably mostly maintained at a local jiffy lube. They've simply been totalled in an accident or rusted beyond repair.


Being selective about fluids out of interest is one thing. Convincing yourself that it actually helps your bottom line (keeping your vehicle rolling) is foolish.
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#4774361 - 06/01/18 11:33 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
Al Online   content


Registered: 06/08/02
Posts: 18045
Loc: Elizabethtown, Pa
After being on this board for 16 years and looking at thousands of oil analysis I came to the the conclusion (many years ago) that oil is oil. It all protects about the same provided you don't exceed TBN values (and I have never seen that) or leave it in until until it turns to jelly or dilutes itself to water.

But as someone mentioned, do whatever makes you feel good..


Edited by Al (06/01/18 11:33 AM)
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#4774363 - 06/01/18 11:34 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
NGRhodes Offline


Registered: 01/06/13
Posts: 329
Loc: West Yorkshire, UK
Originally Posted By: dogememe
I care so much about putting full synthetic oil and quality fluids in my Crown Vic. My next oil change is going to be with Royal Purple HPS, so that's like a $60 oil change. Why, when the first 120k+ miles of its life it got beat on as a police car with probably cheap bulk oil out of a 55 gallon drum? A lot of people on here put expensive or at least quality oil in their car that they bought used with over 100k miles so half its life who knows what it got?

But you know what, at the end of the day, it makes us happy, and gives us satisfaction, so it's worth it.


cool plus a bonus smile for being totally honest with yourself and us.

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#4774371 - 06/01/18 11:47 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
jeepman3071 Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 4221
Loc: Storrs, Connecticut
If it makes you happy, that is what is important.

I'm of the mindset that I use quality parts/fluids, but within reason. For example, if someone runs Pennzoil Platinum and changed it every 6500 miles, would the premium price for Amsoil or Royal Purple be worth that much more for the same interval? Many UOAs would probably suggest it isn't.

I had a friend who was changing the Mobil 1 in his 95% highway driven Civic every 3000 miles. He drives a lot and works a minimum wage job. Switching to Napa Conventional for 4,000 mile intervals saved him money and arguably wouldn't compromise wear.
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#4774373 - 06/01/18 11:49 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
pandus13 Offline


Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 3204
Loc: Chicago,IL,USA
OP/Dogeme,

There is still a thing to do: Tomorrow...
Early in the morning (no sun , no heat), drink a cold one (ice-cold tea?)
and go wash that car to smithereens. give it a good polish, stand back, smile and pat yourself on your back (make sure the old nosy lady from 2 houses down sees that for more theater effect).

Now go drive it for a morning cruise, while everybody is still sleepy, open the window, done your gangsta' sunglasses and start singing "Money in the bank"

P.S. I don't care about your oil choices, expensive or not. You already earn it by keeping an old car past 10 years old...
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#4774375 - 06/01/18 11:52 AM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
Nick1994 Online   content


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 10136
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
I agree with Al. Oil is oil.

I use cheap clearance oils.
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#4774444 - 06/01/18 12:54 PM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
Bud Offline


Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 1726
Loc: Texas
You use what you like. Its your money. Everyone should do just that.
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#4774453 - 06/01/18 01:00 PM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: dogememe]
PeterPolyol Offline


Registered: 03/06/16
Posts: 1345
Loc: toronto
I'm all about what makes me happy! At the same time condition myself to never allow "what makes me happy" to be arbitrary and subjective. We all like to satisfy our mental conditions, but how often do we audit our mental conditions?

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#4774506 - 06/01/18 02:09 PM Re: I made a realization, and I don't care. [Re: PeterPolyol]
Kira Offline


Registered: 08/19/10
Posts: 5266
Loc: Champlain/Hudson Valley
How 'bout this:
Change the title of this post to, "I made a realization, and I conclude there's no reason to THINK so much about the possibility of optimizing my condition through tweaking my oil / filter / OCI selections".

BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY CARE.

Are you so hungry for autonomy that you now get your jollies saying, "I don't care"?
"I don't care", is a "small person" thing to say. And before you get offended, this is (was?) something our parents or grandparents would teach us.

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