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I really want to get a subaru but need convinced #4771230
05/29/18 02:22 PM
05/29/18 02:22 PM
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KC
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I have always wanted a Subaru for some odd reason and I'm not sure why. I have recently submerged myself into massive amounts of research looking at the Legacy and Forester. Of course whenever you hit a subaru forum, the place is littered with oil consumption threads. I realize this can be highly misleading but it seems to be a major concern for me. I like cars that have no measurable oil consumption during an OCI. There are no polls/threads that I could find where people were claiming to have no consumption so I really don't have a clue how small of an issue this is.

And yes, I know full well every carmakter out there is having these issues. You can google any car model and "oil consumption" and find massive issues including lawsuits. So it isn't a Subaru only thing but I'm still a bit leery.

How many people here own a 2016+ FB25B engine and don't have any measurable consumption?

Are there any other quirks to owning a FB25? It sounds like there used to be head gasket issues on pre-FB25B but not anymore?

Are there any other quirks to subarus in general? Do they make good AC systems? Is the CVT reliable (plenty of complaints about those, too)? Is it easy to work on yourself? Do any wear items go bad faster due to being AWD?

Anyway....feel free to brag about your subaru here, too.


2007 Ford Escape XLS 2.3L ATX, M1 AFE 0W20, Fram TG, 165k+
2015 Chrysler T&C, 75k+, M1 AFE 0W20, Fram TG OF
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771245
05/29/18 02:30 PM
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I've owned three in the past, my take is they're a niche market, you either love'em or can leave'em. Maintenance wise I think they're a little more problematic than your typical asian import.

Noticed you're in KC, if you want a AWD why don't you look at a Honda or Toyota.


03 Porsche 911 Liqui Moly Leichtlauf High Tech 5w-40 & Mahle filter
14 Honda Accord 4dr EX-L 4cyl-M1 0W-20 & WIX XP
02 Chevy 5.7L van-GTX HM 10W-40 & WIX filter
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771248
05/29/18 02:33 PM
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Wet side WA
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Well I just love the looks and the size of Subaru's but I'm not going to take a chance on one or a few other new models. No my 2004 is running just fine and burns no oil to speak of less than half a quart in 5 to 6K OCI. I figure I'm going to wait for some real improvement over the hype they are peddling. I figure the Corolla is good for another 10 years plus anyway unless someone totals it.

As for the Subaru engine I'd have a way more fuzzy feeling if it were an I4 engine over their H4 design.


2004 Corolla 125335
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: sasilverbullet] #4771254
05/29/18 02:36 PM
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badtlc Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet

Noticed you're in KC, if you want a AWD why don't you look at a Honda or Toyota.


The Honda AWDs around here are both too pricey and rather dreadful in poor weather from my experience. I don't have any experience with Toyota AWD systems but generally around here toyota is waaaaay over priced too.

If I look at toyota, it would probably be a used 2018 camry with the 2.5L.


2007 Ford Escape XLS 2.3L ATX, M1 AFE 0W20, Fram TG, 165k+
2015 Chrysler T&C, 75k+, M1 AFE 0W20, Fram TG OF
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771257
05/29/18 02:38 PM
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Basehor, KS
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We have owned three Subarus since 1999, all purchased new. Two Legacy wagons (2.2L and 2.5L engines respectively) and an Outback (2.5i). The 2.5L engines consume one quart of oil during a 5K mi oil change. I considered that acceptable. We had no head gasket issues with any of the three. All have gone 120+K miles or more before any untimely demise not related to the vehicle mechanics. The two older Subarus got the Subaru radiator treatment, which may have contributed to our success in the head gasket area.

Current 2011 Outback has the CVT and no issues. I had the ATF changed at the dealer at 105K and it seems to run as well as when nearly new.

I view the key to success as following the owner's manual maintenance guidance but voluntarily changing out the CVT ATF at least once.

Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771259
05/29/18 02:38 PM
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SW Ontario Canada
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Subaru is a polarizing brand. I can't see myself owning one. The head gasket issues, the oil burning issues, the weird maintenance access issues, the rusty body issues, I just don't get the appeal.

I've never owned one, but our company had a 2006 Legacy sedan that I used often for business travel in Ontario, Michigan and it always left me sore and a smell of antifreeze each time I drove it.

Maybe if I was born in Vermont, female loving female I'd have a different perspective on this brand?


2017.5 Nissan Rogue SV FWD
2013 Nissan Maxima SV
2009 Ford Flex SEL FWD
1984 Yamaha XJ750RL
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771261
05/29/18 02:43 PM
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Canada
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I'm afraid that if you're looking for a non-luxury priced midsize AWD sedan, the Legacy is about your only choice.

Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: nap] #4771263
05/29/18 02:48 PM
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Staten Island, NY
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Originally Posted By: nap
I'm afraid that if you're looking for a non-luxury priced midsize AWD sedan, the Legacy is about your only choice.


Get a last of the MY19 Fusions?

New Altima?


'06 Toyota Camry SE V6 3MZ-FE 100k
'01 Mercury Villager Estate VG33E 52k
'06 Ford Taurus SE Vulcan 60k
'13 Chrysler 300 3.6 Pentastar 230k
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: michaelluscher] #4771266
05/29/18 02:55 PM
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badtlc Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
Originally Posted By: nap
I'm afraid that if you're looking for a non-luxury priced midsize AWD sedan, the Legacy is about your only choice.


Get a last of the MY19 Fusions?

New Altima?


The AWD Fusion is too thirsty and the Nissan is a non-starter.

Might as well go luxury if that is a must have.


2007 Ford Escape XLS 2.3L ATX, M1 AFE 0W20, Fram TG, 165k+
2015 Chrysler T&C, 75k+, M1 AFE 0W20, Fram TG OF
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771270
05/29/18 02:57 PM
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Pennsylvania
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Look at Volvo. We have an '04 and '07. Both with AWD. Comfortable, reliable and go well in inclement weather.

Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771271
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Subaru is a good brand. A lot of their parts come out of the Toyota parts stream. (Denso etc). Toyota owns a chunk of them.

They had some issues several years back but from what I can tell that is in the past.


2017 Mazda CX-5 GT.

Valvoline Modern Engine 0w20
Mobil 1 EP 108A
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771276
05/29/18 03:02 PM
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I have a 2008 Legacy GT with the 2.5 turbo engine. Neat little car, sporty looking but compared to other 4 cyl cars of its size, it gets terrible MPG!! It does run very well and is very fun to drive but the usual maintenance and parts cost is double what an average Honda or Toyota is...

I will say, mine does not lose/use barely any oil at 155k. I have recently developed a small drip at the oil cooler which is just an O ring. But it doesn't show up on the stick during a 5k OCI.


Just say NO to thin oils and M1!
05 F350 Powerstroke
05 Hyundai Tucson
08 Legacy GT
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771278
05/29/18 03:02 PM
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Pennsylvania
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Do what I did. Instead of a Subaru, I bought a 2017 VW AllTrack. Great car, burns NO oil in 5000 miles per change and has fantastic traction i snow and rain. You can even lock the center diff and drive like a Subaru if you want. I have had the car for 17 months and have never been back under warranty (true of the three VW's I owned, including the 2013 Passat in my signature). I average as high as 36-37 mpg on a trip now that the car is broken in. No CVT but the dual wet clutch tranny.

Take a test drive of one and see what you think. Their chief competitor is the Subaru.


2013 VW Passat TDI SE, 60,100 miles Castrol Professional VW507 5W-30
2017 VW Golf All Track 18,170 miles Castrol Professional VW505 5W-40
Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: badtlc] #4771280
05/29/18 03:03 PM
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Great cars. Break it in right and there won't he consumption.


I'm a thickie; assimilate
But 20s have their place

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 138k, SS 5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 41k, OE 5w20/Wix

Re: I really want to get a subaru but need convinced [Re: michaelluscher] #4771281
05/29/18 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
Originally Posted By: nap
I'm afraid that if you're looking for a non-luxury priced midsize AWD sedan, the Legacy is about your only choice.


Get a last of the MY19 Fusions?

New Altima?


Altima AWD not available yet.

Once you configure the Fusion with AWD you're close to Acura/Lexus offerings.

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