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Honda 1.5T and Long Drains #4767261
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I have a friend who drives a 2017 Honda CRV with the 1.5T.

The first service was done by me at 9300 miles using M1 EP 0W-20 and a Honda filter. The car is now due for its second service at 19.4K. I may do a UOA for giggles, we will see.

Due to scheduling, she prefers the convenience of the OEM service intervals since she drives about 20k/yr. Her plan is to keep the car for as long as possible. Her last car was a 2011 Accord that was only replaced because it was totaled; I used M1 EP 0w20 at 10-11k intervals on that one without any issues.

Which oil and filter should I be using in this CRV?


2011 Toyota Prius - 184k - M1 EP 0W-20
2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 134K - Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-30
Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: The Critic] #4767265
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Why not use what you chose before?


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Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: The Critic] #4767267
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My vote is for ServicePro 0w20 which is made by Valvoline. Will get the job done just fine.

Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: The Critic] #4767269
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M1 will support 0w20 AFE for 10k and 0w20 EP for 15k miles. Use whichever one is cheaper and matches up with her interval.


1998 Honda Accord EX 2.3L Auto (Sold) 214k mi
2009 Scion tC Manual (Daily Driver) 165k mi
Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: SatinSilver] #4767272
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Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
My vote is for ServicePro 0w20 which is made by Valvoline. Will get the job done just fine.


It is made by Warren oil, not Valvoline:

http://www.service-pro.com/documents/MSDS/motoroils-lubs/SPWA-SDS-Full-Synthetic-Motor-Oil.pdf


2011 Toyota Prius - 184k - M1 EP 0W-20
2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 134K - Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-30
Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: PimTac] #4767275
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Why not use what you chose before?


Fuel dilution can be a real problem on these engines.


2011 Toyota Prius - 184k - M1 EP 0W-20
2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 134K - Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-30
Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: The Critic] #4767288
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
My vote is for ServicePro 0w20 which is made by Valvoline. Will get the job done just fine.


It is made by Warren oil, not Valvoline:

http://www.service-pro.com/documents/MSDS/motoroils-lubs/SPWA-SDS-Full-Synthetic-Motor-Oil.pdf


Not sure if it's a different supplier out in Virginia. A shop there that uses ServicePro told me it was Valvoline.

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Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: The Critic] #4767301
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FWIW: If this Honda 1.5L turbo is the one with big fuel dilution issues in the oil (pretty sure it is), you better keep the OCI to 5K miles especially if she wants to keep the car for a long time. I would not consider the "advice" the OLM gives, it is an estimate of oil life based on hours driven and under what conditions. It knows nothing about the 900lb gorilla in the room (oil breaking down way too early due to the fuel dilution issue).


His: '12 Kia Optima SX - 2.0L GDI Twin-Scroll Turbo [Tuned] (78K)
>EDGE 0W-40, Fram XG9688
Her's: '14 Nissan Rogue SL AWD - 2.5L NA (79K)
>EDGE 0W-20, Fram XG6607
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Follow the OLM and use synthetic. No worries.

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Originally Posted By: WhizkidTN
FWIW: If this Honda 1.5L turbo is the one with big fuel dilution issues in the oil (pretty sure it is), you better keep the OCI to 5K miles especially if she wants to keep the car for a long time.




This. It’s not the oil choice that’s important with this engine, it’s the change intervals.


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Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: The Critic] #4767304
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Use one of the top-tier synthetics (Edge, M1, PP/PUP) during the warranty period, then switch to 5w30 after it ends.

Also, I love WIx, but the 57356 is not one of their better designs. It has a tiny cartridge of media inside, and it will not last 10k. Especially on a TGDI motor. Plus, Wix recently switched to louvers on the 57356. If you or the owner insist on Wix, use the XP.

This is an application where I'd choose Fram over Wix. Besides Fram making the OEM filter (which is very close to the PH orange can with the silicone ADBV), they still use the round holes, and their 7317 filters contain more media than Wix's 7356. The Ultra is good, but even a TG should be good enough.

My filter preferences for your CRV, and most cars using the 57356/7317 can, in order
anything Fram, then M1, then Wix XP, then Hastings/Baldwin

Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: The Critic] #4767315
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Why not use what you chose before?


Fuel dilution can be a real problem on these engines.


What's to say it's actually a problem, in light of the fact that ever changing oil specs should be accounting for concerns that would be associated with it. It's not like BITOG is the only group of people who understand that oils are getting fuel diluted with DI.

Id suspect that in general, specs for oil are moving towards mitigating solution issues at the same time that injection and controls are working it from that end.

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If you do a UOA,please post... that motor has a very small sump considering its turbk charged.

Maybe use Honda branded oil from the dealer? If she has any problems down the line, that might be a good idea shrug


Kind Regards,

Boyd
Re: Honda 1.5T and Long Drains [Re: JHZR2] #4767348
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: PimTac
Why not use what you chose before?


Fuel dilution can be a real problem on these engines.


What's to say it's actually a problem, in light of the fact that ever changing oil specs should be accounting for concerns that would be associated with it. It's not like BITOG is the only group of people who understand that oils are getting fuel diluted with DI.

Id suspect that in general, specs for oil are moving towards mitigating solution issues at the same time that injection and controls are working it from that end.



Oh, it's a problem....

http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/137-...#/topics/176681


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