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#4765108 - 05/22/18 03:28 PM 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20
Saul Offline


Registered: 02/18/15
Posts: 97
Loc: New Mexico
DATE SAMPLED 05-Apr-18
DATE RECEIVED 16-May-18
DATE REPORTED 22-May-18
SIF NO.
TIME ON UNIT 14380 MI
TIME ON OIL 4380 MI
OIL BRAND Havoline Pro DS

OIL GRADE 5W20




Metals (ppm)
Iron (Fe) 12
Chromium (Cr) <1
Lead (Pb) <1
Copper (Cu) 52
Tin (Sn) <1
Aluminium (Al) 8
Nickel (Ni) <1
Silver (Ag) <1
Titanium (Ti) <1
Vanadium (V) <1
Contaminants (ppm)
Silicon (Si) 9
Sodium (Na) 5
Potassium (K) <1
Additives (ppm)
Magnesium (Mg) 10
Calcium (Ca) 1952
Barium (Ba) <1
Phosphorus (P) 585
Zinc (Zn) 713
Molybdenum (Mo) 58
Boron (B) <5
Contaminants
Water (%) <0.05
Coolant No
Physical Tests
Viscosity (cSt 100C) 7.7
Physical / Chemical
Base Number (mgKOH/g) 1.8

Comment : Engine wear levels appear satisfactory for first sample.
Silicon level (dirt/sealant material) satisfactory. Water
content acceptable. Viscosity within specified operating
range. Action: As oil and filter(s) already changed,
resample at next recommended interval to monitor and
establish wear trend.

This is the Havoline from the oriellys clearance. As been discussed in a few other threads, does not appear to be a extended use synthetic.

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#4765120 - 05/22/18 03:38 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
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Registered: 10/22/09
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I don't like seeing copper that high or Aluminum. But the car is still wearing in. The thing that is still a real question in my mind is with that few of miles on the oil the TBN is only 1.8?
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#4765124 - 05/22/18 03:40 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
wemay Offline


Registered: 04/04/12
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Loc: Southeast Florida
Saul,

Thanks for posting. How are you liking the Ioniq?

Copper is the only concerning number here. But the car probably isn't broken in until 20K.
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#4765178 - 05/22/18 04:22 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
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Registered: 07/26/15
Posts: 497
Loc: Southern Indiana
With this being a hybrid, how many of the 4,380 miles were on the engine vs the electric drive?

And, as previously mentioned, the 1.8 TBN with under 5k miles is disconcerting.
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#4765283 - 05/22/18 06:19 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
wemay Offline


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I like Havoline's "Conventional" more than the ProDs.
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#4765381 - 05/22/18 07:57 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
Saul Offline


Registered: 02/18/15
Posts: 97
Loc: New Mexico
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I don't like seeing copper that high or Aluminum. But the car is still wearing in. The thing that is still a real question in my mind is with that few of miles on the oil the TBN is only 1.8?


This specific issue with this oil has been mentioned on this forum before, which is why I only ran it as long as I did.

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#4765382 - 05/22/18 07:58 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: wemay]
Saul Offline


Registered: 02/18/15
Posts: 97
Loc: New Mexico
Originally Posted By: wemay
Saul,

Thanks for posting. How are you liking the Ioniq?

Copper is the only concerning number here. But the car probably isn't broken in until 20K.


My wife is very happy with it. It is a nice car.

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#4765384 - 05/22/18 08:00 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Mantooth]
Saul Offline


Registered: 02/18/15
Posts: 97
Loc: New Mexico
Originally Posted By: Mantooth
With this being a hybrid, how many of the 4,380 miles were on the engine vs the electric drive?

And, as previously mentioned, the 1.8 TBN with under 5k miles is disconcerting.


Not too sure, but it is a factor I considered as well. After reading about the inferior oil that this Pro DS, I decided on 4k anyways.

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#4765491 - 05/22/18 10:16 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
Saul Offline


Registered: 02/18/15
Posts: 97
Loc: New Mexico
I have another sample of this I am mailing off tomorrow with nearly 5000 miles on it, there was a trip from NM to TN so it’s 90%highway. Nonetheless, I have 4 more jugs of this havoline in my stash and did not put it back in...


Edited by Saul (05/22/18 10:17 PM)

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#4766422 - 05/23/18 10:51 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
John_Dude Offline


Registered: 07/19/16
Posts: 38
Loc: WA
It may or may not be good, hard to say. Generally, the old rule was when TBN reaches 1/3 of its initial reading, then its done. Most oil has I believe most oil has a starting TBN in the range of 6-8, so its borderline.

I ran castrol magnatec syntetic 5w30 to 9,500 miles in my cobalt and the TBN was at 1.8
It only costs $17.88 at walmart, something to consider for a cheap-ish oil.

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#4766609 - 05/24/18 08:02 AM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
Merovingian Offline


Registered: 05/23/18
Posts: 27
Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
Originally Posted By: Saul

TIME ON UNIT 14380 MI
TIME ON OIL 4380 MI

What kind of engine does this car have?
What fuel do you use?

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#4766869 - 05/24/18 12:10 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Merovingian]
Saul Offline


Registered: 02/18/15
Posts: 97
Loc: New Mexico
Originally Posted By: Merovingian
Originally Posted By: Saul

TIME ON UNIT 14380 MI
TIME ON OIL 4380 MI

What kind of engine does this car have?
What fuel do you use?

1.6L I4 hybrid
86/87

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#4767083 - 05/24/18 04:17 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
Merovingian Offline


Registered: 05/23/18
Posts: 27
Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
There is an opinion, if you fill in 92/93 gasoline, then the liquefying of engine oil is less - this fuel is cleaner to burn.

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#4767182 - 05/24/18 06:06 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Merovingian]
Saul Offline


Registered: 02/18/15
Posts: 97
Loc: New Mexico
Originally Posted By: Merovingian
There is an opinion, if you fill in 92/93 gasoline, then the liquefying of engine oil is less - this fuel is cleaner to burn.


Well premium fuel does burn cleaner, that is more fact than opinion. What is it in relation to this oil analysis?
The highest premium is 91 here. I am at 4300' above sea level.

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#4791391 - 06/19/18 07:04 PM Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul]
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Registered: 08/06/10
Posts: 5663
Loc: WatUpDoc
I was thinking of getting an analysis on my first OCI with this oil. I couldn't find other UOAs of it. It seems poor at extended OCIs from other reports? Thanks
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