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2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 #4765108
05/22/18 02:28 PM
05/22/18 02:28 PM
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New Mexico
Saul Offline OP
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DATE SAMPLED 05-Apr-18
DATE RECEIVED 16-May-18
DATE REPORTED 22-May-18
SIF NO.
TIME ON UNIT 14380 MI
TIME ON OIL 4380 MI
OIL BRAND Havoline Pro DS

OIL GRADE 5W20




Metals (ppm)
Iron (Fe) 12
Chromium (Cr) <1
Lead (Pb) <1
Copper (Cu) 52
Tin (Sn) <1
Aluminium (Al) 8
Nickel (Ni) <1
Silver (Ag) <1
Titanium (Ti) <1
Vanadium (V) <1
Contaminants (ppm)
Silicon (Si) 9
Sodium (Na) 5
Potassium (K) <1
Additives (ppm)
Magnesium (Mg) 10
Calcium (Ca) 1952
Barium (Ba) <1
Phosphorus (P) 585
Zinc (Zn) 713
Molybdenum (Mo) 58
Boron (B) <5
Contaminants
Water (%) <0.05
Coolant No
Physical Tests
Viscosity (cSt 100C) 7.7
Physical / Chemical
Base Number (mgKOH/g) 1.8

Comment : Engine wear levels appear satisfactory for first sample.
Silicon level (dirt/sealant material) satisfactory. Water
content acceptable. Viscosity within specified operating
range. Action: As oil and filter(s) already changed,
resample at next recommended interval to monitor and
establish wear trend.

This is the Havoline from the oriellys clearance. As been discussed in a few other threads, does not appear to be a extended use synthetic.

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4765120
05/22/18 02:38 PM
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Wet side WA
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I don't like seeing copper that high or Aluminum. But the car is still wearing in. The thing that is still a real question in my mind is with that few of miles on the oil the TBN is only 1.8?


2004 Corolla 126070
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4765124
05/22/18 02:40 PM
05/22/18 02:40 PM
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Kendall, FL
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Saul,

Thanks for posting. How are you liking the Ioniq?

Copper is the only concerning number here. But the car probably isn't broken in until 20K.


18 Sportage LX: STP S2808ML
13 SFS 2.0T: FRAM XG9688
For the foreseeable future (👍AAP sale):
PP, PPHM and MSS 10w30
Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4765178
05/22/18 03:22 PM
05/22/18 03:22 PM
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Southern Indiana
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With this being a hybrid, how many of the 4,380 miles were on the engine vs the electric drive?

And, as previously mentioned, the 1.8 TBN with under 5k miles is disconcerting.


'14 Durango AWD 3.6,(mine) Hav ProDS 5w30/Napa Gold
'15 Journey AWD 3.6, (wife's) Napa Syn 5w20/Napa Gold
'01 F250 4x4 7.3PSD, 126k, M1 TDT 5w40/MC

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4765283
05/22/18 05:19 PM
05/22/18 05:19 PM
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Kendall, FL
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I like Havoline's "Conventional" more than the ProDs.


18 Sportage LX: STP S2808ML
13 SFS 2.0T: FRAM XG9688
For the foreseeable future (👍AAP sale):
PP, PPHM and MSS 10w30
Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4765381
05/22/18 06:57 PM
05/22/18 06:57 PM
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New Mexico
Saul Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
I don't like seeing copper that high or Aluminum. But the car is still wearing in. The thing that is still a real question in my mind is with that few of miles on the oil the TBN is only 1.8?


This specific issue with this oil has been mentioned on this forum before, which is why I only ran it as long as I did.

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: wemay] #4765382
05/22/18 06:58 PM
05/22/18 06:58 PM
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New Mexico
Saul Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Saul,

Thanks for posting. How are you liking the Ioniq?

Copper is the only concerning number here. But the car probably isn't broken in until 20K.


My wife is very happy with it. It is a nice car.

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Mantooth] #4765384
05/22/18 07:00 PM
05/22/18 07:00 PM
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New Mexico
Saul Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Mantooth
With this being a hybrid, how many of the 4,380 miles were on the engine vs the electric drive?

And, as previously mentioned, the 1.8 TBN with under 5k miles is disconcerting.


Not too sure, but it is a factor I considered as well. After reading about the inferior oil that this Pro DS, I decided on 4k anyways.

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4765491
05/22/18 09:16 PM
05/22/18 09:16 PM
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New Mexico
Saul Offline OP
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I have another sample of this I am mailing off tomorrow with nearly 5000 miles on it, there was a trip from NM to TN so its 90%highway. Nonetheless, I have 4 more jugs of this havoline in my stash and did not put it back in...

Last edited by Saul; 05/22/18 09:17 PM.
Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4766422
05/23/18 09:51 PM
05/23/18 09:51 PM
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WA
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It may or may not be good, hard to say. Generally, the old rule was when TBN reaches 1/3 of its initial reading, then its done. Most oil has I believe most oil has a starting TBN in the range of 6-8, so its borderline.

I ran castrol magnatec syntetic 5w30 to 9,500 miles in my cobalt and the TBN was at 1.8
It only costs $17.88 at walmart, something to consider for a cheap-ish oil.

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4766609
05/24/18 07:02 AM
05/24/18 07:02 AM
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Atlanta, GA, USA
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Originally Posted By: Saul

TIME ON UNIT 14380 MI
TIME ON OIL 4380 MI

What kind of engine does this car have?
What fuel do you use?

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Merovingian] #4766869
05/24/18 11:10 AM
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New Mexico
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Originally Posted By: Merovingian
Originally Posted By: Saul

TIME ON UNIT 14380 MI
TIME ON OIL 4380 MI

What kind of engine does this car have?
What fuel do you use?

1.6L I4 hybrid
86/87

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4767083
05/24/18 03:17 PM
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There is an opinion, if you fill in 92/93 gasoline, then the liquefying of engine oil is less - this fuel is cleaner to burn.

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Merovingian] #4767182
05/24/18 05:06 PM
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New Mexico
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Originally Posted By: Merovingian
There is an opinion, if you fill in 92/93 gasoline, then the liquefying of engine oil is less - this fuel is cleaner to burn.


Well premium fuel does burn cleaner, that is more fact than opinion. What is it in relation to this oil analysis?
The highest premium is 91 here. I am at 4300' above sea level.

Re: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq 4380 Havoline Pro DS 5w20 [Re: Saul] #4791391
06/19/18 06:04 PM
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I was thinking of getting an analysis on my first OCI with this oil. I couldn't find other UOAs of it. It seems poor at extended OCIs from other reports? Thanks


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