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Get ready for E15. The push is real... #4764578
05/22/18 06:04 AM
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Kendall, FL
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http://www.omaha.com/opinion/the-public-...d409d4de1e.html

Quote:
The Environmental Protection Agency has taken a series of actions to tilt the playing field toward oil companies, so itís up to Perdue to steer regulators in the right direction and restore demand for farm crops that supply the energy in every gallon of ethanol.

Fortunately, Trump has offered his support for a plan to lift the archaic EPA ban on selling E15 fuel during the summer, depriving consumers of a low-cost option with 15 percent ethanol.


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764581
05/22/18 06:12 AM
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I hope it never happens. The article is an opinion piece by a state legislator from Nebraska.


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: MParr] #4764586
05/22/18 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: MParr
I hope it never happens. The article is an opinion piece by a state legislator from Nebraska.


From a state where the majority of their ag crop is corn. If the car owners truly know anything, they won't be pushing this.

Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764595
05/22/18 06:48 AM
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Itís been here at all new KT stations where they have 4-nozzle pumps installed. I use these stations a lot and like the fact that each fuel gets is own nozzle...my bikes and OPE donít get any alcohol.

Iím going to try it out for a few tanks in my GTI. VW says itís ok and Iím the perfect test candidate. I drive ~3k miles/month so itís not going to sit around in my tank to corrode things or phase-change. Iím just curious what it does to mileage/cost.

The bad news for the unknowing public is the mandatory sticker on the pumps says 2001 and newer cars are fine, but not all automakers say that. I have a feeling with the rising gas prices people will try to save the 4 cent/gallon price and rot their fuel system.


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764597
05/22/18 06:49 AM
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It's not just that publication. The heavy push towards E15 with the Pres approval is real, and most probably coming...

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environ...es-senators-say

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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764603
05/22/18 07:02 AM
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Ive been using E15 off and on for about a year and see no difference in MPG vs E10.


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764610
05/22/18 07:19 AM
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Why worry about 15% when upto 85 has been available for years?


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764613
05/22/18 07:29 AM
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Depends on the price and the ability to choose something else.


People who count on their fingers should maintain a discreet silence.
Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: Olas] #4764615
05/22/18 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: Olas
Why worry about 15% when upto 85 has been available for years?


Because E10 is what's available at 99% of the pumps. It's very hard to find pure gasoline where I live. Nearest spot is an hour away.

E15 would replace E10.

Many cars, including my MB, have warnings against use of anything above 10% ethanol and recommend the use of fuel without ethanol.

For my flex-fuel Tundra, I'm fine with whatever, but for my other cars, E15 is potentially damaging to the older fuel system components.


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: Olas] #4764635
05/22/18 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted By: Olas
Why worry about 15% when upto 85 has been available for years?


Because this

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o...article4197860/

and the fact that not everyone has cars capable of taking more than 10%

Once all you could find at the local pumps is 15% or worse youíre doomed.

If things seem to go that way my next car will most likely be a diesel. laugh

Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764636
05/22/18 07:55 AM
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Sheets is the only stations I have seen E-15. They still have E-10.


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764647
05/22/18 08:04 AM
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I wish some politician or gov bureaucrat would slap those farmers and their interest back down and just tell them NO!!!

Take your corn and shove it where the sun don't shine. NO CORN IN OUR GAS TANKS!


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: Olas] #4764649
05/22/18 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: Olas
Why worry about 15% when upto 85 has been available for years?


Because E85 can only be put into cars that have fuel systems that are built for it (Flex Fuel cars). Those cars are a great blessing to automakers trying to meet CAFE standards, because the government only considers the 15% gasoline content in their fuel economy rating. This makes a full-size pickup truck getting 15 MPG on E85 apparently capable of 100 MPG (15 miles driven / .15 gallons of gasoline burned).
The EPA has been trying to force E15 down our throats since about 2009. It would be a replacement for E10, which is in almost all gasoline, except for the very few pumps that are marked as pure gasoline.
The government has a problem in that since they mandated explicit targets for ethanol production in the Renewable Fuels Standard, annual production hasn't reached the goals for the past few years. So to increase demand, the EPA came up with the idea to increase E10 to E15, thereby doubling "demand" for ethanol. The problem is that E15 will degrade fuel system seals and metals in older cars. And then there is the problem that more ethanol blended into the fuel means less energy, so fuel economy would suffer.


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: bubbatime] #4764661
05/22/18 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
I wish some politician or gov bureaucrat would slap those farmers and their interest back down and just tell them NO!!!

Take your corn and shove it where the sun don't shine. NO CORN IN OUR GAS TANKS!
The farmers have no control. They're basically slaves having to buy more land, bigger equipment, and fancy chemicals and seed to play in the game. The big multinationals run this show.


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Re: Get ready for E15. The push is real... [Re: wemay] #4764665
05/22/18 08:27 AM
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If we didn't waste all the ethanol in E10 and other scams we'd have plenty for E85 for a competitive price vs gasoline. I'd have no problem running E85 if it saved me money.

Last edited by hatt; 05/22/18 08:28 AM.

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