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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: 28gauge] #4764467 05/21/18 10:33 PM
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Maybe buy a six pack of Mobil 1 15W-50 and add a bottle of it with each oil change? Manufacturer will have no idea, but certainly not the best approach. How big is the sump?


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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: JeffKeryk] #4764469 05/21/18 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: JeffKeryk
I like 0w stuff. 5w stuff ain't that much different; flows a little less when cold.
My guess is, 5w30 use will result in slightly worse gas mileage.
Other than that... Nada.


5W and 0W have very little difference in actual cranking and pumping rates until you get REALLY cold.


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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: Snagglefoot] #4764476 05/21/18 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Puerto Rico is well known as a center of engineering excellence so you should be doing what they do. It's a good thing they discuss the use of motor oil at extremely low temperatures in Puerto Rico because it may be so cold your engine might not start. Thank goodness Toyota has addressed this.


The nuance is easy to read here. The oil temperature chart for Puerto Rico is the unregulated () recommendations. This is how the engineers were able to communicate what they recomended around CAFE language requirements. It is a gift.
Another tell is to go to the Castrol Australia oil selector and see what is Recomended in other markets for the same engines. The engines are built to the same specifications worldwide. http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/castr_au/

We should not confuse regulatory driven language with engineering best practices. They are not to the same purpose.

Toyota designed the GR engine to run on ILSAC multi Grade oil. (5w30 on initial design)It will tolerate up to 15w40 and down to 0w20. It will also run well on Acea a3 selections as they fall within the heavy , fast, hard and hot running range of selections that are preferable in tougher climates.

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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: 28gauge] #4764494 05/21/18 11:36 PM
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I wish Honda would be similarly helpful.

In the end they have to please me too not only EPA. As the checkbook is in my pocket, EPA doesn’t buy Accords.

Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: Snagglefoot] #4764520 05/22/18 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Puerto Rico is well known as a center of engineering excellence so you should be doing what they do. It's a good thing they discuss the use of motor oil at extremely low temperatures in Puerto Rico because it may be so cold your engine might not start. Thank goodness Toyota has addressed this.


Lol finally someone with some humor and common sense

Lol at the guy trying to break the Toyota oil "code, that bypasses cafe requirements. Tin foil hat mode engaged. They have sent u the message brotato, u must feel blessed

Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: 28gauge] #4764550 05/22/18 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: 28gauge
Have a 2017 4Runner. Manual recommends 0W20. I live in Tucson, AZ and would like to run a higher viscosity, like a 5W30 syn. Manual leaves no room for alternates under different conditions except, for Puerto Rico only. Higher viscosities OK. A little confused? Is the Puerto Rico engine of a different specification or is it just gas mileage/environmental? Any opinions on a higher viscosity causing potential harm?


Toyota must have changed the verbiage.

My Mom has a 2015 TRD Pro and the manual states 0w20 under normal conditions. A 5w20 can be used if 0w20 isn't available, but 0w20 must be used for the next oil change. If the vehicle is used for towing, you can go up a weight. (Be it 0w30 or 5w30.. who knows what they meant.)

I am finishing up a small 0w20 stash then I plan on running a 5w30 synthetic. 10k OCI's.


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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: cpayne5] #4764552 05/22/18 03:32 AM
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Yeah don't listen to the engineers that designed the motor...you obviously know better than them right?


Get out of here with that baloney. Have you read the owner's manual? Didn't think so.

I also have a 2017 4Runner. Toyota's requirements with regards to oil viscosity is not specific (recommends vs requires) and gives plenty of leeway to where you can run just about anything you find on the shelf at WalMart.

Mine will be getting 5w30 (coming up on its first oil change this week, actually), as that's what I have on my shelf. My 2005 (purchased new) has the same engine and has run flawlessly for 136k miles on Xw30s and 40s.

Here are the pertinent sections of the OM:




I should have fully read the thread prior to posting.


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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: 28gauge] #4764554 05/22/18 03:36 AM
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When i owned my 2017 Corolla and asked the service mgr about this language he said "sure, you can go with higher viscosity, but by doing so you are saying that you're vehicle is being used under extreme conditions and you now fall under severe service intervals for all maintenance items". Good luck, i think the 4Runner will be fine with a variety of viscosity, including 0W-20.




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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: wemay] #4764556 05/22/18 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted By: wemay
When i owned my 2017 Corolla and asked the service mgr about this language he said "sure, you can go with higher viscosity, but by doing so you are saying that you're vehicle is being used under extreme conditions and you now fall under severe service intervals for all maintenance items". Good luck, i think the 4Runner will be fine with a variety of viscosity, including 0W-20.




Was this Toyota talking or was he just sharing his opinion?


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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: dlundblad] #4764558 05/22/18 03:50 AM
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When i owned my 2017 Corolla and asked the service mgr about this language he said "sure, you can go with higher viscosity, but by doing so you are saying that you're vehicle is being used under extreme conditions and you now fall under severe service intervals for all maintenance items". Good luck, i think the 4Runner will be fine with a variety of viscosity, including 0W-20.




Was this Toyota talking or was he just sharing his opinion?


Not sure, but i understood his logic. Nor did i want or need the hassle.

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When i owned my 2017 Corolla and asked the service mgr about this language he said "sure, you can go with higher viscosity, but by doing so you are saying that you're vehicle is being used under extreme conditions and you now fall under severe service intervals for all maintenance items". Good luck, i think the 4Runner will be fine with a variety of viscosity, including 0W-20.




Was this Toyota talking or was he just sharing his opinion?


Not sure, but i understood his logic. Nor did i want or need the hassle.


I agree. That is some major hair splitting though.. Point being, I am sure a different dealer or service adviser would have given you different results though..


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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: 28gauge] #4764563 05/22/18 04:06 AM
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Was talking out his freckle...there's a difference between higher speeds/temperatures and dusty/offroad.

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Originally Posted By: 28gauge
Have a 2017 4Runner. Manual recommends 0W20. I live in Tucson, AZ and would like to run a higher viscosity, like a 5W30 syn. Manual leaves no room for alternates under different conditions except, for Puerto Rico only. Higher viscosities OK. A little confused? Is the Puerto Rico engine of a different specification or is it just gas mileage/environmental? Any opinions on a higher viscosity causing potential harm?


For me personally, I would use 5/30 in a heartbeat, I would ditch the 20 right away. I did years ago on my wifes Mazda Skyactive engine.
Same deal with Mazda 0/20 or 5/20 (I forgot which) in the USA but everywhere else in the world 5/30. Its all about the EPA.
and to make matters worse you live in a much warmer climate then northern states (as I do) so I wouldnt give it another thought. Do it.


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Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: cpayne5] #4764599 05/22/18 05:55 AM
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Yes I read the manual. While the example with 0W20 oil states higher or lower viscosity might be used under different conditions, they make a point of stating should you use 5W20 due to lack of availability of 0W20, you should switch right back to the 0W20.

Re: Alternate 4Runner Oil [Re: Bryanccfshr] #4764601 05/22/18 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
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Puerto Rico is well known as a center of engineering excellence so you should be doing what they do. It's a good thing they discuss the use of motor oil at extremely low temperatures in Puerto Rico because it may be so cold your engine might not start. Thank goodness Toyota has addressed this.


The nuance is easy to read here. The oil temperature chart for Puerto Rico is the unregulated () recommendations. This is how the engineers were able to communicate what they recomended around CAFE language requirements. It is a gift.
Another tell is to go to the Castrol Australia oil selector and see what is Recomended in other markets for the same engines. The engines are built to the same specifications worldwide. http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/castr_au/

We should not confuse regulatory driven language with engineering best practices. They are not to the same purpose.

Toyota designed the GR engine to run on ILSAC multi Grade oil. (5w30 on initial design)It will tolerate up to 15w40 and down to 0w20. It will also run well on Acea a3 selections as they fall within the heavy , fast, hard and hot running range of selections that are preferable in tougher climates.


Thanks for that link as it shows that in Australia a 5w-30 is recommended for the Lexus LX570 with the 5.7 liter engine (3UR-FE). Now, I do not own a LX570 but I do own a Tundra with the same 5.7L (3UR-FE) engine. My OM throws the same verbiage out that a higher viscosity may be better suited at higher speeds or extreme loads. I don't really have a problem with the 0w20 but IMO, a 5w30 *may* offer me a little more protection?

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