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VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 #4761510 05/18/18 10:40 PM
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Before you ask, I did not transpose the calcium and magnesium numbers. I'm giving you an accurate account of the Cat lab's report. I'm hoping that PQIA tests this oil someday.

I've never learned to decipher the ISO codes/ratings. Is this oil considered "dirty"?

As the title says, it is Dexos1 gen2 Castrol Edge 5W-30


Code:
Copper      0
Iron        1
Chrome      0
Aluminum    0
Lead        0
Tin         0

Silicon     5
Sodium      0
Potassium   4

Boron       49
Moly        70

Nickel      0
Silver      0

Titanium    9
Calcium     907
Magnesium   1492
Zinc        715
Phosphorus  566
Barium      0

Oxidation   10
Nitration   5
Sulfation   17

Water       N

Viscosity @100 C  10.5

TAN         2.90
TBN         10.1

ISO rating   21/19/15

4 micron      17372
6 micron      3650
10 micron     830
14 micron     229
18 micron     116
21 micron     81
38 micron     19
50 micron     11







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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: dustyroads] #4761554 05/19/18 12:33 AM
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Very good looking additive package as well as pretty impressive TBN! Id run it in my Civic!


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: parshisa] #4761558 05/19/18 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted By: parshisa
Very good looking additive package as well as pretty impressive TBN! Id run it in my Civic!


Agreed!


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: dustyroads] #4761694 05/19/18 06:21 AM
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What do you people look at when you evaluate a VOA??
is it "There's a nice slug of Moly in this one..."
or "Nice to see some Boron here... its expensive doncha know"
or 'Woah... TBN at 10.1!"
or "Better watch that Calcium level..."

Am I off base here or can you really not draw any significant conclusions by looking at a VOA???
Do you place two or three of these side by side and then opt for your favorite?
If so, based on what criteria?
What makes a product up to snuff and what tosses it from your consideration?

If someone can respond in a logical and insightful way it would be extremely helpful.
Also, if you have solid evaluation criteria, can you post a flow diagram or evaluation matrix for the rest of us?


Originally Posted By: parshisa
Very good looking additive package as well as pretty impressive TBN! Id run it in my Civic!

Is there ever a time that you would say something along the lines of 'Hey, this API 5w30 SN+ that also has dexos 1 gen 2 approval just isn't good enough for my Civic, I mean, look at these VOA results!!!"
This just seems silly. When aren't there very good looking additive packages in d1 g2 oils?
I just seems like you're saying that the sky is blue, therefore its OK to come outside (and don't bring cloud cover into this....) thumbsup

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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: parshisa] #4761711 05/19/18 06:38 AM
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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: dustyroads] #4761784 05/19/18 08:02 AM
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RE: IMP4 : I used to question this as well, but its just Football talk for Bitgoers. That calcium level is going to be great this season but were really looking for big things from that magnesium squad. Relax and enjoy it. smile


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: Snagglefoot] #4761805 05/19/18 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
RE: IMP4 : I used to question this as well, but its just Football talk for Bitgoers. That calcium level is going to be great this season but were really looking for big things from that magnesium squad. Relax and enjoy it. smile

Yeah, but the difference is that motor oil formulation can be reduced to an engineered solution and therefore this drive-by observation and critique is meaningless.
Football on the other hand is fraught with human intangible factors therefore healthy debate can actually have value.

But I know what you mean.


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: Snagglefoot] #4761813 05/19/18 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
RE: IMP4 : I used to question this as well, but its just Football talk for Bitgoers. That calcium level is going to be great this season but were really looking for big things from that magnesium squad. Relax and enjoy it. smile



This^^


In this case, TBN is excellent plus much lower Ca and wallop of Mag for DI is good to see as well.

All depends what you're looking for.


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: dustyroads] #4762375 05/19/18 07:28 PM
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The most important thing is that one should be taking a VOA of the product before running trended UOAs, hopefully using the same lab and the same batch number to assist trending. That's the biggest value in a VOA.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: Imp4] #4763370 05/20/18 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: Imp4
What do you people look at when you evaluate a VOA??
is it "There's a nice slug of Moly in this one..."
or "Nice to see some Boron here... its expensive doncha know"
or 'Woah... TBN at 10.1!"
or "Better watch that Calcium level..."

Am I off base here or can you really not draw any significant conclusions by looking at a VOA???


Originally Posted By: Imp4
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
RE: IMP4 : I used to question this as well, but its just Football talk for Bitgoers. That calcium level is going to be great this season but were really looking for big things from that magnesium squad. Relax and enjoy it. smile

Yeah, but the difference is that motor oil formulation can be reduced to an engineered solution and therefore this drive-by observation and critique is meaningless.


To answer your question; no we can't draw significant conclusions from an oil's VOA. To your point, I've been using a HDEO in my OTR truck that has little to nothing that the average BITOGer likes to see in an oil. That oil is by far the best HDEO I've ever used based on it's condition after a ridiculous amount of "exposure" (thank you dnewton3 for that term) in very long intervals of heavy duty use.

You say that a BITOGer's observation and critique is meaningless; it's also harmless. Many of us have read and learned a general idea of what each additive is there for and some people prefer to look at the base oil makeup. It's just good entertainment and trying to apply a little bit of what we've learned. Sure, we should be most concerned about the certs and approvals, but it's neat to look at the VOAs and see the different ways that they're formulated. We can't see much...but again, it's just for fun and conversation.


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: wemay] #4763384 05/20/18 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
RE: IMP4 : I used to question this as well, but its just Football talk for Bitgoers. That calcium level is going to be great this season but were really looking for big things from that magnesium squad. Relax and enjoy it. smile



This^^


In this case, TBN is excellent plus much lower Ca and wallop of Mag for DI is good to see as well.

All depends what you're looking for.


Wemay, you've led the way in the education of BITOG regarding the issue of LSPI and the way the oil and additive industry have addressed it. Thanks for everything you have provided us to learn from.

I don't have an engine that is of concern, but I probably will before long. It's just interesting info, anyway.

I made the remark about my being accurate with the calcium/magnesium because of how different it was compared to the other D1G2 oils we've seen so far (more magnesium and higher total of the combined Ca/Mg). I hope that PQIA tests it to get another look.

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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: dustyroads] #4763423 05/20/18 07:51 PM
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^^^^^^^^^

Really, really good post by dustyroads here.

And Wemay is a tremendously good member on here.


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: dustyroads] #4763458 05/20/18 08:21 PM
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Thanks guys. Not necessary but humbly appreciated.

Virtus_Probi is another member well versed on this topic.


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: bbhero] #4763460 05/20/18 08:22 PM
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^^^^^^^^^

Really, really good post by dustyroads here.

And Wemay is a tremendously good member on here.





Dittos on that.


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Re: VOA Castrol Edge 5W-30 D1 gen2 [Re: dustyroads] #4764768 05/22/18 09:09 AM
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@dustyroads, I am looking at the particle count. What was the color of the voa oil submitted?

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