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#4760298 - 05/17/18 07:50 PM Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2?
webfors Offline


Registered: 06/06/06
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About to install the Backoff XP that I purchased last year. I'm trying to decide between mode 1 and mode 2. The modes are defined as follows:

Mode 1:
4 short break light flashes, followed by 1 long flash - repeats the cycle as long as the brake is on.

Mode 2:
5 quick flashes, followed by a steady on - stays steady on as long as the brake is on.

I'm leaning towards mode 2.
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#4760300 - 05/17/18 07:51 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
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I prefer mode 0, a continuous, steady light.

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#4760371 - 05/17/18 08:48 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
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Mode 2. Brake lights should settle to a steady on.
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#4760378 - 05/17/18 08:54 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
iahawk Offline


Registered: 03/03/13
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# 2

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#4760482 - 05/17/18 11:15 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
blupupher Offline


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Mode 2.
The flash to get attention that you are starting to brake then constant to indicate braking is happening.

The cycling flashing would be confusing to many if you were using the brake for a longer time slowing down.
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#4760514 - 05/18/18 01:57 AM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
ZeeOSix Offline


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^^^ Yep, Mode 2 ... Mode 1 would probably confuse people.

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#4760764 - 05/18/18 09:08 AM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
webfors Offline


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Seems like we all agree, mode 2 is the winner!
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#4761659 - 05/19/18 06:43 AM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
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Mode 2
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#4763366 - 05/20/18 07:52 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
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Mode 2

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#4766653 - 05/24/18 08:58 AM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
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Mode 2
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#4766813 - 05/24/18 11:16 AM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
webfors Offline


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Install completed. I also completed the install with the led light kit on my Givi top box. Massive difference in brake visibility.
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#4767991 - 05/25/18 03:37 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
David_g Offline


Registered: 07/22/11
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Loc: California
Originally Posted By: webfors
I'm leaning towards mode 2.

+1
I'd be surprised if Mode 1 is legal here.
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#4768720 - 05/26/18 12:17 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: David_g]
jeff78 Offline


Registered: 06/06/17
Posts: 145
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: David_g
I'd be surprised if Mode 1 is legal here.


Flashing brake lights are not legal in the US at all*, although you probably won't get pulled over for it unless your brake lights are doing something very annoying like constantly strobing rapidly and the officer behind you is having a bad day.

That said, there has been substantial research into this over the years that indicates that a brief period of flashing at a certain frequency may reduce reaction times for the following driver. But that's not likely to be helpful if he's staring at his cell phone.


* - on a federal level. FMVSS 108 says brake lights must glow steadily when braking, so you won't find any vehicles that roll off the showroom floor with flashing brake lights. But they can't control what you do with your car or bike after you buy it. Ultimately, enforcement is up to your local authorities.


Edited by jeff78 (05/26/18 12:45 PM)

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#4768825 - 05/26/18 03:34 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: webfors]
gman2304 Offline


Registered: 08/11/11
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Loc: n.c.
Mode 2. If Iím stopped at a light and a car approaches from behind Iíve gotten into the habit of flashing my brake light several times via the front brake lever to draw the approaching drivers attention so they will see that Iím stopped. Especially at night.

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#4770805 - 05/28/18 10:38 PM Re: Backoff XP - mode 1 or mode 2? [Re: jeff78]
David_g Offline


Registered: 07/22/11
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Loc: California
Originally Posted By: jeff78
Originally Posted By: David_g
I'd be surprised if Mode 1 is legal here.


Flashing brake lights are not legal in the US at all*,

Doesn't FMVSS only regulate new vehicles, and importing of used ones? Things like brake light flashers are ordinarily regulated by state vehicle codes.

California Vehicle Code 25251.5.c Allows flashing then steady on for brake lights. It doesn't allow either of the two modes in the first post, but mode 2 is closest to what's allowed here.
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